Meeting setup

Date: 24.04.2006
Time: 09.30 Norw. time
Place: Where we are
Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat

Agenda

Opening, agenda review
Reviewing the task list from two weeks ago
Documentation - divvun.no
Corpus gathering
Corpus infrastructure
Infrastructure
Linguistics
name lexicon infrastructure
Spellers
Other issues
Summary, task lists
Closing

1. Opening, agenda review, participants

Opened at 11:11.

Present: Saara, Sjur, Thomas, Trond

Absent: Børre, Maaren (sick leave), Tomi

Main secretary: Trond

Agenda accepted as is.

2. Reviewing the task list from the last meeting

Børre

send out contracts with accompanying letter
Gather public texts, preferrably also parallel ones
Continue converting text from input format to our xml
convert nob and nno bible texts to be used as part of a parallel corpus
review the paratext2xml converter
convert smj NT to paratext
Send out letters to the Iđut authors
write docu for how to apply for a corpus user account (forms, recipients, etc)
remove old corpus files from gt/sme/corp/ after Trond has cleaned it
integrate generated corpus repository summaries in the Forrest site
fix bugs!

Maaren

on sick leave throughout April

Saara

Create a parallel corpora of the new testaments.
make free texts available
- set up a weekly cron script (but only if there are new files)
  - not done
Implement links to parallel files in corpus header.
- not done
Implement parallel corpus upload in web upload script
- in progress
Implement turning off the language recognition in the xsl-file (and corpus.dtd).
- almost ready
Refine language detection
- almost ready
add a possibility to upload whole documents for hyphenation (and also analysis, generation, etc)
- not done
add a log of every word/text uploaded/hyphenated/analyzed etc.
- not done
fix bugs!

Sjur

on paternal leave

Thomas

add all word boundaries
- working with lule-sámi word-boundaries for the moment
work on compounding and derivation
- nothing this week
smj G3 issue
- nothing this week
sme G3 issue
- nothing this week

Tomi

move aspell UTF-8 suffix bug to Bugzilla
Document aspell infrastructure: finish doc/proof/spelling/X-spell/aspell.xml (it’s almost done, but there are a couple of loose ends)
new proper name lexicon
- implement data synchronisation of proper nouns between risten.no and CVS
- XQuery refactoring and code development for our proper noun editor
- new version of xml2lexc (based on ccat), should handle complex names correct: construct entries like we have now from the different parts of a complex name entry
read aligner docu, install, provide feedback
install and test Gobby, install new version of SEE
Set up the mechanism for the hash-mark transducer package
fix bugs!

Trond

Make nob into nor in the anchor list (A is done)
better smj NT text, get fin NT texts
Discuss Gobby 0.4 with Sjur
get a key for Maaren in May
install aligner, test it and give feedback
correct hyphenation of word boundaries and exceptions with Thomas
get/upgrade keys for Børre’s room for Tomi and Thomas
fix bugs!.

3. Documentation

TODO:

documentation on how to apply for a user account for the corpus repo (Børre)
- The item will be moved to the TODO list, again.

4. Corpus gathering

Trond added sme beuraucratic texts, roughly 0,4 mill words, total size now approaching 1,5 mill words.

Trip to Sámi municipalities

Børre is on his trip.

Collecting

See a previous meeting memo for what’s to be done.

TODO: Send out the rest of the letters (Børre)

Odin

Sæth replied by e-mail, hasn’t had time to follow-up, but will try to include us in their plans.

Børre will weekly mirror the URL mentioned in Sæths e-mail, and add missing files to the corpus.

Olavi Korhonen’s Lule Sámi dictionary.

No news this week

TODO: Børre to contact Olavi Korhonen and Kuhmunen

KIO Grafisk and the Iđut books

TODO:

send letters to the authors (Børre)
wait for the discussions with Davvi Girji
- A talk with Brita Kåven, revealed that they would have a look at the contracts after easter.

Bible texts

We will get text from Finland, but still haven’t received any. We have got the Swedish text from Sweden. As for the last html versions from Norway, Trond has not contacted them last week.

Swedish html has arrived, no paratext. Norsk bibelselskap has not sent corrected New Testament versions for sme, and not paratext for nno/nob.

TODO:

convert smj NT to paratext (Børre)
- Not done
get fin, swe, nob and nno NT and OT in paratext format. (Trond)
- Still no news

Min Áigi

Børre has received texts, and forwarded them to Trond. Problems with Unicode in the filenames, as the non-ASCII characters are unparsed strings with the octal code of the character(s) in question:

The files (appr 2000 files) are added, here: /usr/local/share/corp/orig/sme/news/MinAigi/

We have problems with Unicode characters in filenames. All characters with diacritics are stored decomposed on MacOS X, and when transferring the files to Linux (cochise) via a tar file, the characters are not recomposed, making the files accessible only by typing the combining diacritic - not nice. We also now have the same problem on Mac, making it in practice impossible to access a set of files like:

a84-231-8-254:~ sjur$ l a+TAB
áda  áde  ádo  åde
a84-231-8-254:~ sjur$ l a

This was solved once before, and we need to look at this again. The old Bugzilla issue should be reopened.

TODO:

Børre to contact Per Christian Biti on technical issues (how to transfer texts).
reopen Bugzilla issue, and study the previous discussion and solution regarding Unicode characters in filenames (Saara)
add filename extensions to files not having one
investigate whether the bullet has a meaning or could be removed
Space in file names should be changed to underscore (and not to hyphen!).

Unicode table, in case we need to recompose manually:

á    0061 0301
č    0063 030C
đ    0064 0335
ŋ    006E
š    0073 030C
ŧ    0074 0335
ž    007A 030C
æ    00
ø    006F 0337
å    0061 030A
ö    006F 0308
ä    0061 0308
Á    0041 0301
Č    0043 030C
Đ    0044 0335
Ŋ    004E
Š    0053 030C
Ŧ    0054 0335
Ž    005A 030C
Æ    00
Ø    004F 0337
Å    0041 030A
Ö    004F 0308
Ä    0041 0308

Min Áigi seems to have been changing from text files to MS Word around issue 015-05.

Kåfjord

Promised to send us texts, but nothing has arrived yet.

TODO: Børre to contact them.

Sámi Instituhtta

Audhild Schanche has signed the contract. We will have to contact them about transferring the texts.

TODO: Børre to contact them.

5. Corpus infrastructure

https://giellalt.uit.no/lang/corp/corpus-summary.html

TODO:

Changes and updates because of the Divvun public tender

User account admin and infra: see [previous memo|/admin/weekly/2006/Meeting_2006-03-06.html].

TODO: see above under Documentation.

Automatic build of the content of our corpus repo: also see [previous memo|/admin/weekly/2006/Meeting_2006-03-06.html].

TODO:

make free texts available
- done weekly by a cron script (but only if there are new files) (Saara)
Make a link, easily available, to these texts.
- done as a downloadable tar package.

Name change again?

gt -> gtbound/
gtbound -> some nifty new letter... ?
gtfree -> some nifty new letter... ?

Trond to come up with some new suggestion.

Free and non-free texts

More info in a [previous meeting memo.|/admin/weekly/2006/Meeting_2006-03-13.html]

TODO:

Check the status of the texts, again. (Børre, Trond)
Rerun the conversion afterwards (Saara is the one with the magic spell)
check against bugs 273 and 272

Linking parallel files

DECISION: We’ll keep the original filename, and store linking info in the header (has to be added manually).

TODO:

develop the web interface for uploading to make it easier to add several documents in one go. (Saara)

lg-a, lg-b
<p id>
<s id>
</s>
</p>

key file
eq-link# lga-1 = lgb-1,2
eq-link# lga-2 = lgb-3
eq-link# lga-2 = lgb-4

~~...~~

<.>~~...~~<?> <!>

sme-dis.rle: DELIMITERS The preprocess and the aligner should agree on what is a sentence. (.!?)

~~... this is what sme-dis.rle will analyse <.>~~

<!> <?>

(sme-tdis.rle: DELIMITERS <¶>)

More texts to the graphical corpus interface:

TODO:

We would like to have more than the NT in the graphical interface http://omilia.uio.no/CE/sami/ (Saara)
- We add the largest texts first.
We would like to have grammatical searchability, not only POS. (Saara, Trond)
This presupposes a discussion with Oslo. (Trond and Saara to continue this discussion)
For Lule Sámi: We would like to have a parallel corpus interface with NT (text only). This presupposes better quality texts (Trond, Børre)
- Better Lule NT text still not made.
The list of good candicates: The longest (admin) texts.
- We need a ccat version of the script for analysing text, still keeping xml tags (Tomi).

Top-two priorities:

Trond and Saara to discuss with Lars.
Lars to add text to the server.
Tomi to prepare for the parallel corpus.

Language recognition

TODO:

turn on language recognition, skipping Finnish (Saara)
- Done, it seems.
create a short word list to help the trigram heuristics
- Trond has made such lists for all lgs except sme, smj and nob.
send Saara sme, smj and nob files (sort, but not uniq -c) (Trond)
Add some flag to write into the xsl file (Saara):
- method:do not run lg recognition
- method:Choose between these 2:nob, sme

6. Infrastructure

Aligner

Today, we have two anchor files in addition to the original one.

TODO:

Read documentation and try out, give feedback to Bergen. (Trond, Saara, Tomi)
conflate nno with nob into ‘nor’ (Trond, letters a, b, c done)
- Partly done, must go through and see.
Saara to install the aligner, everyone to read the documentation
- done, waiting for the test files from Bergen.
Trond and Saara will continue this issue.

Hyphenator

Trond and Thomas have been updating the propernoun file with ^ tags. We need the tag in front of compound parts beginning in a vowel or in two or more consonants. Compound parts beginning with one consonant are handled correctly.

TODO:

Remove the ^ signs from the UPPER level when generating (just like the TV and IV tags are removed today) (Trond)
correct the treatment of hyphenation of word boundaries and exceptions (fst gymnastics) (Sjur, Trond)
add a possibility to upload whole documents for hyphenation (and also analysis, generation, etc) (Saara)
we should log all and every word/text uploaded/hyphenated/analyzed etc
- we’ll do it, but it does not have first priority (Saara)
add exceptions marks to the smj lexicon (boks^távva)

7. Linguistics

General - hyphenation

See discussion, open questions and decission in the [previous meeting memo.|/admin/weekly/2006/Meeting_2006-04-03.html]

TODO:

add all word boundaries (Thomas)
- Done: All sme; smj nouns and adjectives
Set up the mechanism for the hash transducer package - fst gymnastics, see above.

North Sámi

Nothing specific this week.

Lule Sámi

TODO:

add the rest of the inc- words (Thomas)
- everything added that is possible now, about 50 unknown words left+2 abbr. +moaddi etc (numerals)

8. Name lexicon infrastructure

TODO:

refactor and prepare risten.no for multiple collections:
1. refactor the code into more and more specific components according to our folder hierarchy (Tomi, Sjur)
  1. things are moving forward
develop the needed XQueries and interface (Sjur, Tomi)
1. developing
data synchronisation between risten.no and the cvs repo (Tomi)
1. nothing this week
test and review when ready

Discussion postponed until Sjur is back.

9. Spellers

Nothing until the new proper noun lexicon is in place. We don’t have enough people to do both.

10. Public tender

2 offers received, from Polderland and Lingsoft.

TODO:

read the offers (Børre, Sjur, Trond, Tomi)
meet on Friday to sum up the findings (Sjur, Tomi, Trond)
telephone meeting next Tuesday with Finnut (Børre, Sjur)

11. Other

Bug fixing

50 open Divvun/Disamb bugs, and 25 risten.no bugs

Please help Saara with bug 279. Not much help…

Saara will contact Roy on this issue.

After the corpus issues have been somewhat settled, we should do a bug barnraising. … and then a new one after the name lexicon is fixed.

12. Summary, task list

Børre

send out contracts with accompanying letter
Gather public texts, preferrably also parallel ones
Continue converting text from input format to our xml
convert nob and nno bible texts to be used as part of a parallel corpus
review the paratext2xml converter
convert smj NT to paratext
Send out letters to the Iđut authors
write docu for how to apply for a corpus user account (forms, recipients, etc)
remove old corpus files from gt/sme/corp/ after Trond has cleaned it
integrate generated corpus repository summaries in the Forrest site
mirror Odin URL (create cron task to do it automatically?)
fix bugs!

Maaren

on sick leave throughout April

Saara

Create a parallel corpora of the new testaments.
add more texts to the graphical corpus interface
grammatical searchability in the graphical corpus interface
make free texts available
- set up a weekly cron script (but only if there are new files)
Implement links to parallel files in corpus header.
Implement parallel corpus upload in web upload script
Implement turning off the language recognition in the xsl-file (and corpus.dtd).
Refine language recognition
add a possibility to upload whole documents for hyphenation (and also analysis, generation, etc)
add a log of every word/text uploaded/hyphenated/analyzed etc.
Investigate the decomposed Unicode characters in file names -problem.
Convert Min Áigi file names.
fix bugs!

Sjur

read through and evaluate the public tender offers

Thomas

add all word boundaries
work on compounding and derivation
smj G3 issue
sme G3 issue

Tomi

move aspell UTF-8 suffix bug to Bugzilla
Document aspell infrastructure: finish doc/proof/spelling/X-spell/aspell.xml (it’s almost done, but there are a couple of loose ends)
new proper name lexicon
- implement data synchronisation of proper nouns between risten.no and CVS
- XQuery refactoring and code development for our proper noun editor
- new version of xml2lexc (based on ccat), should handle complex names correct: construct entries like we have now from the different parts of a complex name entry
read aligner docu, install, provide feedback
install and test Gobby, install new version of SEE
Set up the mechanism for the hash-mark transducer package
fix bugs!

Trond

Make nob into nor in the anchor list (A, B, C is done)
better smj NT text, get fin NT texts
Discuss Gobby 0.4 with Sjur
get a key for Maaren in May
install aligner, test it and give feedback
correct hyphenation of word boundaries and exceptions with Thomas
get/upgrade keys for Børre’s room for Tomi and Thomas
fix bugs!.

13. Next meeting, closing

08.05.2006 09:30

Closed at 13:28