Meeting setup
- Date: 27.11.2006
- Time: 09.30 Norw. time
- Place: Where we are
- Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat
Agenda
- Opening, agenda review
- Reviewing the task list from two weeks ago
- Documentation - divvun.no
- Corpus gathering
- Corpus infrastructure
- Infrastructure
- Linguistics
- name lexicon infrastructure
- Spellers
- Other issues
- Summary, task lists
- Closing
1. Opening, agenda review, participants
Opened at 10:07.
Present: Børre, Maaren, Saara, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi, Trond
Absent: none
Agenda accepted as is.
2. Updated task status since last meeting
Børre
- contact writers who already have received contracts
- consider a script for automatic testing of the spell checker in Word
- Downloaded documentation on Microsoft Office and AppleScript
- consider more testing routines
- update Maaren’s Forrest installation to r430284
sma
discussions with SD (with Sjur, Trond)
- add a simple password protection to risten.no in the G5
- consider infra for testing feedback
- get an Intel Mac for testing Windows spellers; get a WinXP license from SD
- Had a short discussion with Sjur about it.
- check corpus contract issue
- port all i18n work to the main branch (from the i18n branch)
- Done, but haven’t set up the web server to use it.
- update all forrest installations, including local patches
- It is available as: http://divvun.no/static_files/forrest_divvun.tar.gz
- send in hotel room list for employee seminar
- fix bugs!
- Other work:
- Aspell: Contacted mailing list, doing some research.
Maaren
- investigate the generated word form list sent to Polderland - use the command
make wordlist TARGET=sme
in victorio
- investigate unrecognised word forms in the hyphenator
- send in hotel room list for employee seminar
Saara
- finalize server of the Xerox tools.
- did some testing with parallel processing.
- help Trond with some shell commands
- update namelex2xml
- add
nor
output file to namelex2xml
- update hyph-filter.pl
- fix bugs!
- other
- work with analyzed corpus: bug fixing, more efficient analysis,
some new features to the analyzed documents.
Sjur
- name lexicon:
- refactor SD-terms editor code
- implement missing propnouns editing functions
- implement improvements decided upon in Tromsø
- done bug fixing in the existing risten.no code, + some additional testing
- hire linguist and programmer
- make new list of unrecognised forms in the hyphenator
- done, Trond sent it to Maaren
- investigate unrecognised word forms in the hyphenator
- decide how to specify compounding behaviour info in the lexicon
- still not decided, we need a short meeting to settle this one
sma
discussions with SD (with Børre, Trond)
- check why some SUB-marked entries got included in the normative transducer
- consider a script for automatic testing of the spell checker in Word
- consider more testing routines
- topic added to this meeting schedule
- consider infra for testing feedback
- topic added to this meeting schedule
- get an Intel Mac for testing Windows spellers; get a WinXP license from SD
- redo the derived words work for
smj
- revitalize the Aspell work
- update the generating transducer to only be normative
- discuss clitics in PLX format with Polderland
- publish corpus contracts and project infra on NoDaLi-sta
- send in hotel room list for employee seminar
- everyone sends in him-/herself
- fix bugs!
Thomas
- refine
smj
proper noun lexica, cf. the propernoun-smj-lex.txt
- redo the derived words work for
smj
- investigate unrecognised word forms in hyphenator
- decide how to specify compounding behaviour info in the lexicon
- check why some SUB-marked entries got included in the normative transducer
- create / check the paradigm grammar
- investigate the generated word form list sent to Polderland - use the command
make wordlist TARGET=sme
in victorio
- send in hotel room list for employee seminar
- fix bugs!
Tomi
- make PLX lexicon for all open POSes
- add derivations to the PLX generation
- add compound stems to the PLX generation
- add closed POS and clitics to PLX generation
- revitalize the Aspell work
- send in hotel room list for employee seminar
- fix bugs!
Trond
- refine
smj
proper noun lexica, cf. the propernoun-smj-lex.txt
- get more
sma
texts
- Will have to wait until people return from sick leave.
- update the corpus tag list in the
cwb/
directory
- Done, will have to work more on this.
- investigate unrecognised word forms in the hyphenator
- decide how to specify compounding behaviour info in the lexicon
sma
discussions with SD (with Børre, Sjur)
- redo the derived words work for
smj
- fix bugs!.
3. Documentation
There’s a problem with the reliability of the Jetty (forrest run
) version of
our site. Thus, still using the static version on our main/public site.
TODO:
- update all forrest installations, including local patches (Børre)
- created a tailored forrest distribution to download and install
- port all i18n work to the main branch (from the i18n branch) (Børre)
4. Corpus gathering
We finally received the Áššu and Min Áigi files from 1995 to 2001. Many of the
Áššu files are in Quark Express and WriteNow. Quark files should be readable by
InDesign (which we have), and WriteNow files should be readable by many Mac
applications. All files can be expected to be encoded in MacSámi.
No newer files received from Áššu, Børre should contact them again.
To be able to convert WriteNow files (WriteNow is a long dead MacOS Classic application), we need the
commercial software package [MacLinkPlus
| http://www.dataviz.com/products/maclinkplus/index.html] from [DataViz
| http://www.dataviz.com/]. It should be available from MacOffice in Tromsø, or
can be bought online from their home page (USD 79.99).
More South Sámi files are forthcoming soon.
TODO:
- get
sma
Bible / NT texts (Trond)
- Discussions with the Sámi Parliament about
sma
(Børre, Sjur, Trond)
- send the filename renaming script to NSI; get their corpus (Børre)
- ask SD/Sig-Britt Persson about some of the South Sámi bible texts (Sjur)
5. Corpus infrastructure
More texts to the graphical corpus interface:
Lars suggested changes (<p> only policy) to the corpus DTD (in news). Good
suggestions, but we will consider waiting till next year (and new project money)
to see whether we’ll follow through.
TODO:
- Consider whether to implement the <p> only policy or not (Saara)
- add text to the server (Lars)
- Discuss with Lars (Trond)
Aligner
The latest cvs version of our copy of the Aligner can be run from the command
line, thanks to work by Børre:
The exact instructions on how to compile and run the program is in the README.txt file. Basic usage as follows:
tca2 -a anchorfile samifile otherlangfile
TODO:
- gather more parallel texts (Trond)
- re-analyze parallel files using the command-line version (Saara)
- make a runnable version available on both the g5 and victorio (Børre)
Language recognition
TODO:
- get more
sma
texts, first the Bible / NT (Trond)
6. Infrastructure
The PLX format for clitics have been checked with Polderland, and we should be
able to do fine without them. Thus, we generate all paradigms without
clitics.
TODO:
- finalise the paradigm generator (requires paradigm grammar) (Saara)
- done, except needs to remove the clitics
- fix the corpus tag list in the
cwb/
directory (Trond)
- The list now matches the actual tags.
- create / check the paradigm grammar as exemplified above (Thomas)
- update the generating transducer to only be normative, and without the
subclass tags (Sjur)
- discuss clitics in PLX format with Polderland (Sjur)
Hyphenator
The list of unrecognised words is found in victorio in /tmp/hyph-errors.txt
,
whereas words to check can be found in the same location in the file
maaren-liste.txt.gz
.
Typical problem words/reports (in hyph-errors.txt
) are:
No forms for šveicalažžanat
No forms for šveicalažžaneamet
No forms for šveicalažžaneame
No forms for šveicalažžanan
No forms for šveicalažžanis
No forms for šveicalažžaneaset
....
TODO:
- make new list of unrecognised forms (Sjur)
- investigate unrecognised word forms (Maaren, Thomas, Trond, Sjur)
7. Linguistics
Names and multilinguality
TODO:
- finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
- working on it
- add @type=secondary and @excl=speller,hyph to all names marked with !SUB
(Saara)
- done
- test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: (Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
- make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as
well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g.
propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
- convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files
(Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
- start to use the xml file as source file
- clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use
(e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, Maaren, linguists)
- merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki,
Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
- publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
- add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
- add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils
(linguists)
Derivation and spellers like Aspell
TODO:
- redo the work for
smj
, including discussion regarding Actio
(Thomas, Sjur, Trond)
North Sámi
The following words are included in the normative list despite being marked
with !SUB:
accompagnerejun
ábuhuvvože
ábuhuvvože ábuhit+V+TV+Pass+Pot+Prs+Du1
áccohallagođežedne
TODO:
- investigate the generated word form list sent to Polderland - use the command
make wordlist TARGET=sme
in victorio (Maaren, Thomas)
- check why some SUB-marked entries got included in the normative transducer
(Thomas, Sjur)
Lule Sámi
TODO:
- refine
smj
proper noun lexica, cf. the propernoun-smj-lex.txt
(Thomas, Trond)
- hire new linguist (Sjur)
- new suggestion in the meeting
8. Name lexicon infrastructure
Decided in Tromsø:
- add logging facilities to the interface
- add option to download local copies of the lexicon files directly from the db
- batch editing (change all entries in the found set), should later be enhanced
to allow selection of exceptions (the found set minus deselected items)
- tag for excluding/including a name from certain applications
- future epxansion: choose what info to display in the single language browser
- display existing language entries when adding a new language to a record
- add editor to change single, existing entries
Details can be found in [the meeting
memo.|/admin/physical_meetings/tromso-2006-08-propnoun.html]
TODO:
- develop the needed XQueries and UI (Sjur, Tomi)
- add a simple password protection to risten.no in the G5 (Børre)
Postponed:
- data synchronisation between risten.no and the cvs repo
- new version of xml2lexc (based on ccat), should handle complex names correct:
construct entries like we have now from the different parts of a complex name
entry
9. Spellers
Polderland data generation
All nouns are now generated in PLX, not yet the other POSes. Also the closed
POSes will be generated the same way, which means we need paradigm grammars for
them as well. In the simplest case that is just one feature/tag combination.
Also, there might be possible to ask lookup
to print out the whole paradigm.
This should be investigate.
We need to close the compound specification discussion. We’ll have a meeting for
it later in the week with Thomas, Trond and Sjur.
TODO:
- write paradigm grammar for the closed POSes (Thomas)
- check whether
lookup
can be used to generate paradigms for closed POSes
(Sjur)
- decide how to specify compounding behaviour info for the lexicon
(Thomas, Trond, Sjur)
- update the hyphenation filter to always return one - if there are multiple
alternatives after all the other filtering, pick the one with the most
hyphenation points (Saara)
- make PLX lexicon for all open POSes (Tomi)
- add derivations to the PLX generation (Tomi)
- add compound stems to the PLX generation (Tomi)
- add closed POS and clitics to PLX generation (Tomi)
Aspell
In preparation for the Aspell work, Børre has sent an e-mail to the Aspell
developer e-mail list. Here is the most interesting part of the thread:
> What features in hunspell would you specifically like to have in aspell?
Possibly:
- Max. 65535 affix classes and twofold affix stripping
- Handling conditional affixes, circumfixes, fogemorphemes, forbidden
words, pseudoroots and homonyms.
- Support complex compoundings
I believe some of these will benefit you.
However I only want to implement them if these is a clear benefit to it.
For example based on what several people have told be complex compounding
rules are not worth it.
Aspell is far more complex then Myspell and each feature needs to
implemented carefully so that it will behave sensibly with the
suggestion code. Also it is important that the addition of the
feature won't degrade performance, Especially when the feature isn't used.
The whole thread is available [here
| http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/aspell-devel/2006-11/msg00031.html].
TODO when the major part of the PLX conversion is done:
- add Aspell/Hunspell data generation to the lexc2xspell (Tomi - after the
PLX data generation is finished)
- study Hunspell, perhaps also Soikko (Børre, Sjur, Tomi)
Testing
When the PLX-based speller is ready: use the generated word list as test input:
all should be accepted (coverage self-testing). Pick random 1% and randomly
change them with edit distance 1, run through speller = testing false positives
We need a meeting to plan testing. We’ll do it shortly this week, and perhaps
a longer meeting in Alta.
TODO:
- meeting Wednesday at 9.30 (Sjur, Børre)
- consider a script (shell+AppleScript?) for automatic testing of MS Word
(Sjur, Børre)
- get an Intel Mac for testing Windows spellers; get a WinXP license from SD
(Børre, Sjur)
10. Other
Corpus contracts
TODO:
- publish corpus contracts and project infra on NoDaLi-sta (Sjur)
Bug fixing
57 open Divvun/Disamb bugs, and 24 risten.no bugs
Guess: 1/3 of the bugs are fixed already (?)
Task lists as iCal entries
TODO:
- update Maaren’s Forrest installation to r430284 (Børre)
Employee seminar in Alta
TODO:
- send in hotel room list (Divvun)
11. Next meeting, closing
The next meeting is 4.12.2006, 09:30 Norwegian time.
The meeting was closed at 11:27.
Appendix - task lists for the next week
Boerre
- contact authors who have already received the corpus licensing contract
- consider a script for automatic testing of the spell checker in Word
- meeting Wednesday at 9.30 with Sjur to plan testing
sma
discussions with SD (with Sjur, Trond)
- add a simple password protection to risten.no in the G5
- consider infra for testing feedback
- get an Intel Mac for testing Windows spellers; get a WinXP license from SD
- update all forrest installations, including local patches
- fix bugs!
Maaren
- investigate the generated word form list sent to Polderland - use the command
make wordlist TARGET=sme
in victorio
- investigate unrecognised word forms in the hyphenator
Saara
- finalize server of the Xerox tools.
- help Trond with some shell commands
- re-analyze parallel files
- consider implementing some new features to the corpus files
- add closed POSes to the paradigm gen, if needed.
- fix bugs!
Sjur
- name lexicon:
- refactor SD-terms editor code
- implement missing propnouns editing functions
- implement improvements decided upon in Tromsø
- hire linguist and programmer
- investigate unrecognised word forms in the hyphenator
- decide how to specify compounding behaviour info in the lexicon
sma
discussions with SD (with Børre, Trond)
- check why some SUB-marked entries got included in the normative transducer
- consider a script for automatic testing of the spell checker in Word
- get an Intel Mac for testing Windows spellers; get a WinXP license from SD
- publish corpus contracts and project infra on NoDaLi-sta
- ask SD/Sig-Britt Persson about some of the South Sámi bible texts
- check whether
lookup
can be used to generate paradigms for closed POSes
- meeting Wednesday at 9.30 with Børre to plan testing
- fix bugs!
Thomas
- refine
smj
proper noun lexica, cf. the propernoun-smj-lex.txt
- redo the derived words work for
smj
- decide how to specify compounding behaviour info in the lexicon
- check why some SUB-marked entries got included in the normative transducer
- investigate unrecognised word forms in hyphenator
- test editing of the xml files
- clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use
(e.g. @type=secondary)
- write paradigm grammar for the closed POSes
- fix bugs!
Tomi
- make PLX lexicon for all open POSes
- add derivations to the PLX generation
- add compound stems to the PLX generation
- add closed POS and clitics to PLX generation
- fix bugs!
Trond
- refine
smj
proper noun lexica, cf. the propernoun-smj-lex.txt
- get more
sma
texts
- investigate unrecognised word forms in the hyphenator
- decide how to specify compounding behaviour info in the lexicon
sma
discussions with SD (with Børre, Sjur)
- redo the derived words work for
smj
fix bugs!.