Meeting setup

Date: 12.3.2008
Time: 09.30 Norw. time
Place: Internet
Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat/Skype

Agenda

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Opening, agenda review, participants

Opened at 10:30.

Present: Børre, Per-Eric, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi

Absent: Maaren, Trond

Agenda accepted as is.

Updated task status since last meeting

Børre

start to reorganise the documentation
gather sma texts
improve forrest stability with i18n, site look
set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support
Hunspell lexicon conversion
InDesign documentation
investigate the NSIS installer
give contract with blank fields to Per-Eric
fix bugs!

Lene

Ped project

Maaren

Put the list of possible sma corpus sources into a document
update the Changes document

Per-Eric

keep the contact with Kurt Tores family about his texts.
- Nothing
try to find other authors who have smj texts digitaly, send contracts to them
- Working on it, find some
Work with a few things missing from the bible texts.
- Worked and still working
fix bugs!
- Nothing done

Saara

add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
discuss more parallel texts

Sjur

start to reorganise the documentation
- nothing
gather sma texts
- presented the project in Trondheim, will get some text as a result
improve forrest stability with i18n, site look
- nothing
set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support
- nothing
name db/risten.no
- nothing useful
investigate the NSIS installer
- nothing
make a first sma project plan
- nothing new
publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
- nothing
call Julie Eira about Maaren’s share of the Divvun project
- done. Maaren can do as much as she finds time for, and as much as we need her
prepare Trondheim presentation
- done
fix bugs!

Thomas

look at test cases still not behaving properly
- not much done
fix bugs!
- worked some

Tomi

Hunspell lexicon conversion
- not done
document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- not done
fix double hyphen bugs
- not done
fix bugs!
- not done
other
- worked with XML processing
- initial work for making sfst transducer(s)

Trond

Reorganise documentation (with Børre and Sjur)
- Fiddling around myself, awaiting a plenary discussion.
Gather sma texts (with Børre and Sjur)
- Not done
Name lexicon project: Test editing xml files (when they are ready for it)
- Waiting
Work on sma analyser and visl integration
- Huge progress here. Started including the Errata sheet from Verbh, still things to be done.
fix bugs!.

Pedagogical software online

TODO:

get an easy-to-remember URL (UiT/IT)
More thorough skin, layout, … (External person within the Ped team, Internal forrest expert) This we will postpone until later

Documentation

TODO:

start to reorganise the documentation (Børre, Sjur, Trond)

Corpus gathering

The Trondheim visit and presentation has brought both smj and sma texts. The smj texts are translations by Samuel Gælok of public reports, for which also sme translations should exists (as well as an English), and the Norwegian original.

TODO:

follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore (Per-Eric)
get texts from Sigga Tuolja Sandstrøm, possibly through Olavi Korhonen (contract is ok now) (Per-Eric)
other contacts: Nord-Salten avis, Børge Strandskog, Lena Davidsson daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
gather sma texts (Børre, Sjur, Trond, Joseph)
- Sjur got some important contacts in Trondheim
Put the list of possible corpus sources into a document gt/doc/lang/sma/sma-corpus-plan.jspwiki (Maaren)
give contract with blank fields to Per-Eric (Børre)

Infrastructure

TODO:

add Jabber account in iChat (all)
improve forrest stability with i18n, site look (Børre, Sjur, Tomi)
set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support - permanent chat rooms, project calendar(s), wiki? (Børre, Sjur)

Linguistics

North Sámi

Hyphenation bugs still there, now properly documented by the improved test bench.

Lule Sámi

All missing lists now added. A few things missing from the bible texts.

Hyphenation: same as for sme.

TODO:

sme->smj lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and increase smj coverage (Trond, Svenne).
Add the words when all words are ready.

South Sámi

Tomi has added even more verbs. The corrections to Verbh are now added to the lexicon. Joseph is hunting for sma texts at SD.

Name lexicon infrastructure

TODO:

fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale request) (Sjur)
1. it works ok locally, set-up / config needs to be checked on the G5; probably easy to fix
  1. it works the same both locally and on the G5, relates to i18n setup in forrest
fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: (Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g. propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files (Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
implement data synchronisation between risten.no and the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
start to use the xml file as source file
clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use (e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, Maaren, linguists)
merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki, Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils (linguists)

Proofing tools

Hunspell

TODO:

add smj to the soup, make sure it works roughly as good as sme
fix the remaining conversion bugs for sme
return to smj, and fix whatever is left to fix
integrate the derivations as separate “continuation lexicons”

Testing

Spelling Error Markup

TODO:

Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not) (Saara)
test new and nested error markup (Sjur)

Speller bugs

Open issues based on test results :

sme

Version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-02-17

426 - comp words from Divvun.no - guoktedássásaš accepted - still open
435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot)
600 - REGRESSION: gen+hyph compound sámi-dáru
603 - suomabealdi, norggabealdi accepted
606 - speller accepts VUOHTA compound
607 - acro + hyphen **NRKGA is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
611 - double hyphen sugg still accepted
613 - short gen. as second compound part
619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails
627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted
629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen
633 - double hyphens accepted in Word, not by cmdline speller
634 - PropGen+hyph+PropGen
641 - numeral+noun compounds
642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain
644 - cased numeral+numeral compund
646 - adverb + hyphen + noun
647 - numerals+NOUN
648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun
649 - name + adj compound without hyphen
654 - speller does not recognize ordinals on -nuppelogát
655 - pron + nai
658 - Suggestion saame
660 - abbr. not recognised

smj

Version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-02-14

435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (tsåhkeLot instead of tsåhke-Lot)
600 - REGRESSION: gen+hyph compound sáme-dáro
607 - acro + hyphen **NRKGA is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - still OPEN, try to find an acro or abbr me
619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
629 - a taking part in compound - still OPEN
634 - rop gen + hyphen + Prop gen - still OPEN
641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
644 - cased numeral+numeral compund
647 - numerals+NOUN
648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun
649 - name + adj compound without hyphen
650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen
658 - Suggestion saame

TODO:

look at test cases still not behaving properly (Thomas, Tomi)
document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)

Hyphenator bugs

Open issues based on test results :

sme

468 - Márkomeanu -> Polderland - FIXED
548 - duostan -> Polderland - FIXED
549 - missing hyph at word boundary -> Polderland - FIXED
633 - extra hyphen inserted -> Divvun - FIXED

There are still some bugs found in the wordtypes test file. They should be added to Bugzilla.

TODO:

add remaining hyphenation bugs to Bugzilla (Thomas)

smj

549 - missing hyph at word boundary -> Polderland - FIXED
633 - extra hyphen inserted -> Polderland - FIXED
636 - hyphen before last char -> Divvun

The wordtypes test file does contain another problem, but that one belongs to Polderland, and is reported.

TODO:

lexicalise europarádeministarjuogos (Thomas)
try to fix 636 (Thomas)

InDesign tools

We’re waiting for an update from Polderland.

Windows installer

TODO:

investigate the NSIS installer (Børre, Sjur)

Releases

TODO:

update the Changes document (Maaren)
documentation (Sjur)
- Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji

Other

Corpus contracts + open source

TODO:

publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta (Sjur)

Easter vacation

Please report all real vacation days (as opposed to taking extra hours off) to Ellen Mienna Guttorm or Julie Eira.

Name	Period
Børre	10.-16.3. (winter holidays)
Sjur	17.-24.3
Thomas	17.-24.3
Jovsset	17.-24.3.
Maaren	19.-24.3.
Per-Eric	25.-28.3.
Tomi	nothing special, writing on the thesis

Next meeting, closing

The next meeting is 25.3.2008.

The meeting was closed at 11:29.

Appendix - task lists for the next five days

Boerre

start to reorganise the documentation
gather sma texts
improve forrest stability with i18n, site look
set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support
Hunspell lexicon conversion
InDesign documentation
investigate the NSIS installer
give contract with blank fields to Per-Eric
fix bugs!

Lene

Ped project

Maaren

Put the list of possible sma corpus sources into a document
update the Changes document

Per-Eric

keep the contact with Kurt Tores family about his texts.
try to find other authors who have smj texts digitaly, send contracts to them
Work with missing list from the bible texts.
Keep the contact with Ulf-Stefan Winka who has many more smj texts to add.
fix bugs!

Saara

add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
discuss more parallel texts

Sjur

start to reorganise the documentation
gather sma texts
improve forrest stability with i18n, site look
set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support
name db/risten.no
investigate the NSIS installer
make a first sma project plan
publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
fix bugs!

Thomas

look at test cases still not behaving properly
add remaining hyphenation bugs to Bugzilla
lexicalise europarádeministarjuogos
try to fix 636
fix bugs!

Tomi

Hunspell lexicon conversion
document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
fix double hyphen bugs
fix bugs!

Trond

Reorganise documentation (with Børre and Sjur)
Gather sma texts (with Børre and Sjur)
Name lexicon project: Test editing xml files (when they are ready for it)
Work on sma analyser and visl integration
fix bugs!.