Meeting setup
- Date: 5.5.2008
- Time: 10.15 Norw. time
- Place: Internet
- Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat/Skype
Agenda
Cf. one of the following, depending on context:
- the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
- the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF
Opening, agenda review, participants
Opened at 10:24.
Present: Børre, Jovsset, Per-Eric, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi, Trond
Absent: none
Agenda accepted as is.
Updated task status since last meeting
Børre
- Hunspell lexicon conversion
- Had a discussion with Sjur on wednesday about how to make .dic and .aff
files for hunspell.
- prepare migration to svn (with Sjur, Trond)
- have set up accounts for the workers at Samediggi and the University of
Tromsø. https access is the mandatory access method.
- release hunspell public beta at the end of April (with Sjur)
- won’t happen, because of problems converting to the hunspell format
- review hunspell lexicon branch (with Thomas), merge with trunk if ok
- try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
- define and document testing routines
- fix bugs!
Jovsset
- follow up on
sma
corpus texts
Lene
- get the ped content ready
- Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur
Maaren
- Put the list of possible
sma
corpus sources into a document
Per-Eric
- try to find other authors who have
smj
texts digitaly.
- Work with missing list from texts written by Sigga Tuolja Sandström.
- Worked and still working, probably finished with
ja_jage_gållin_missing.txt
this week
- Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
- Work with missing list sameriekta_tjoahkkagæsos.txt
- Keep the contact with Ulf-Stefan Winka.
- fix bugs!
Saara
- add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
- Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
(source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
- implement the ped UI and functionality
Sjur
- follow up on
sma
corpus texts
- name db/risten.no
- make an improved
sma
project plan
- publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
- prepare migration to svn (with Børre, Trond)
- tested committing, and some GUI clients sitting on top of the command line
- release hunspell public beta at the end of April (with Børre)
- depends on the hunspell development
- update the Changes document
- follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652, 656
- test latest hunspell lexicon
- InDesign documentation
- send calendar info to Jovsset
- add CG regression test with Lene and Trond
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
- define and document testing routines
- fix bugs!
- other things:
- worked on the dictionary conversion, to make MacOS dictionaries out of the
machine translation project resources.
Thomas
- look at test cases still not behaving properly
- review hunspell lexicon branch with Børre
- fix bugs!
Tomi
- Hunspell lexicon conversion
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- fix double hyphen bugs
- Make a pedagogical speller (after MA thesis is delivered)
- fix bugs!
- other
- delivered & defended MA thesis
Trond
- Help Jovsset with vislcg3 and sma
- Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
- Prepare svn migration (with Sjur, Børre)
- Work on test routine with Lene and Sjur
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
- define and document testing routines
- fix bugs!.
Pedagogical software online
Same as last week: working on it. Saara has a demo UI ready for vocabulary
games, but not online yet. Lene has worked a lot on the word lists.
We are considering a speller tied to the ped tools, with the lexicon consisting
of a predefined set of target words (say, a list ov beverages if asked for
what to drink, etc.), and a speller mechanism related to that list.
The speller mechanism here could actually be hunspell, as the infrastructure
will soon be in place, just include all and only the wanted words.
TODO:
- get the content ready (Lene)
- implement the UI and functionality (Saara)
- get an easy-to-remember URL (UiT/IT)
- More thorough skin, layout, … (External person within the Ped team,
Internal forrest expert) This we will postponed until later
- Make a pedagogical speller (Tomi when finished with his MA thesis)
- Turn off peripheral compounds (numbers, acros, perhaps names)
- Increase editing distance by one for suggestions? Only possible with limited
compounding
Documentation
TODO:
- start to reorganise the documentation (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
Corpus gathering
Jovsset has sent texts found at sametinget to Børre, mostly his own
texts. Still to be added to the corpus repository.
Nothing new regarding smj
texts.
TODO:
- follow up on
sma
corpus texts (Sjur, Jovsset)
- follow-up on the
smj
texts from Kurt Tore (Per-Eric)
- get texts from Sigga Tuolja Sandstrøm, possibly through
Ulf-Stefan Winka
(contract is ok now) (Per-Eric)
- other contacts: Nord-Salten avis (Børge Strandskog), Lena Davidsson
daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
- Put the list of possible corpus sources into a document
gt/doc/lang/sma/sma-corpus-plan.jspwiki
(Maaren)
- give contract with blank fields to Per-Eric (Børre)
Future plans, directions and ideas
See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki
.
Infrastructure
Lene has worked on the CG test bench, including adding regression testing.
To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of
importance):
- test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
- migrate to svn
- merge gt, kt and st into one, probably after the svn move
- more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
- close certain parts of the code repository (requires svn)
- set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
- permanent chat rooms
- stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
- iCal server / group calendars
- wiki
- wiki? (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
- improve Forrest stability and i18n support
- reorganise the documentation content:
- differ between target groups
- get better grouping
- decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki
(cf. Apertium for a similar split)
- update/add missing parts
- migrate lexicons to XML, splitting the task
- Name lexica (the Name project)
- Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
- Open POSes (Komi as a test case)
- change the look of the documentation web
- sfst? Both as replacement for xfst and for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
- investigate the NSIS installer, potentially replacing the InstallShield
package from Polderland
- corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories?
TODO:
- add CG regression test (Lene, Sjur, Trond)
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
- define and document testing routines (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
- add Jabber account in iChat
- check that all accounts are ready for iChat on the G5 (Børre)
- UiT: Lene, Kimme, Saara (Trond)
- prepare migration to svn (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
- https access is now working.
svn checkout https://gtsvn.uit.no/repos
- try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server (Børre)
Linguistics
North Sámi
(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)
Lule Sámi
(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)
TODO:
sme->smj
lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and
increase smj
coverage (Trond, Svenne).
- Add the words when all words are ready.
South Sámi
Nothing new since last week.
Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure
Much work last week on the SD-terms collection, and the editing code relating to
it. All old legacy code was cleaned and moved into the proper place, and
deletion of entries was added.
Next up: to finish the work on the SD-terms collection (editing), then look at
the name lexicon, and also dictionary search interface.
TODO:
- fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale
request) (Sjur)
- fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
- finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
- test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: (Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
- make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as
well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g.
propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
- convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files
(Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
- implement data synchronisation between risten.no and
the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server
to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the
official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
- start to use the xml file as source file
- clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use
(e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, Maaren, linguists)
- merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki,
Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
- publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
- add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
- add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils
(linguists)
Dictionaries
MacOS X electronic dictionaries for smenob
and smesmj
. They work with
Dictionary.app
, and by point-and-keypress.
Install in:
TODO:
- find similar frameworks for Linux and Windows
- make simple installer applications
- make a public release
- Make a homepage with instructions for dictionary use:
xtdoc/gtuit/src/documentation/content/xdocs/dict.eng.xml
- Clarify the difference between local and online dictionaries:
- Plugin for Firefox and Internet Explorer (online dictionaries)
- Integrated dictionary for Mac 10.5 (local ones), in the future also Windows
and Linux
Hunspell
Strategy for creating .dic and .aff files:
Because any wordform can only be split into at most three parts (because
hunspell has maximally “double suffix stripping” (ie one suffix + one suffix)),
we decided to put wordstems into the dic file, and then put the rest of the
wordform into the aff file.
We will make one suffix lexicon for each lexc lexicon
’+’ implies continuation lexicon, ‘*’ implies lack of continuation lexicon.
Wordstems // dersuffix // infl // pos&clitic
100000 // 100 // 100 // 10
100000 + (100 * 100 ) + 10 = 110 010 = divide late
100000 + 100 + (100 * 10 ) = 101 100 = divide early
TODO:
- test latest lexicon (Sjur)
- add
smj
to the soup, make sure it works roughly as good as sme
(Børre, Thomas, Per-Eric)
- added to derivations, needs to be tested
- fix the remaining conversion bugs for
sme
(Børre, Tomi)
- return to
smj
, and fix whatever is left to fix (Børre, Tomi)
- release a public beta at the end of April (Børre, Sjur)
Testing
Spelling Error Markup
TODO:
- Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not,
added to lexicon or not) (Saara)
- test new and nested error markup (Sjur)
Speller bugs
List of bugs returned from Polderland: 621, 630, 652, 656, 676.
Open issues based on test results :
sme
Version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01
- 425 - REGRESSION: other words from Divvun.no - two words rejected
- 426 - comp words from Divvun.no - guoktedássásaš accepted - still OPEN
- 435 - roman numbers - REGRESSION: inflection of single letter numbers
rejected (but is ok in
smj
)
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
separate lexicon file
- 452 - REGRESSION: several lexical bugs - oažžuin + ožžuin
- 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still
OPEN
- 600 - gen+hyph compound sámi-dáru - still OPEN
- 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
- 606 - speller accepts VUOHTA compound - still OPEN
- 607 - acro + hyphen - still OPEN
**NRKGA is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
- 611 - double hyphen sugg still accepted - still OPEN
- 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
- 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
- 627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted - still OPEN
- 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
- 634 - PropGen+hyph+PropGen - still OPEN
- 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
- 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still OPEN
- 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
- 646 - adverb + hyphen + noun - still OPEN
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
- 654 - speller does not recognize ordinals on -nuppelogát - still OPEN
- 655 - pron + nai - still OPEN
- 658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN
- 665 - adverb superlatives; dieppimus, doppimus - NEW
- 666 - guovtte- and njealje- - NEW
- 668 - caseforms, ordinals and collectives - NEW
- 676 - triple-hyphen - NEW
smj
Version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01
- 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
separate lexicon file
- please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in
smj
, as opposed to sme
- 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (tsåhkeLot instead of tsåhke-Lot) -
still OPEN
- 600 - gen+hyph compound sáme-dáro - still OPEN
- 607 - acro + hyphen
**NRKGA is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
- 616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - still OPEN, try to find an acro or abbr me
- 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
- 629 - a taking part in compound - still OPEN
- 634 - rop gen + hyphen + Prop gen - still OPEN
- 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
- 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
- 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still OPEN
- 658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN
- 668 - caseforms, ordinals and collectives - NEW
TODO:
- compile new speller lexicons (Tomi)
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)
Hyphenator bugs
Open issues based on test results :
sme
Lexicon version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01
- 468 - REGRESSION:Márkomeanu
- 547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Lotnolasealáhusas
- 548 - REGRESSION: mid syllable hyphenation: Háliidivččen
- 549 - REGRESSION: division without hyph: Váccedettiin
- 673 - adj-derivations: guovttenuppelotčoarvvagiin (the word is not rec.)
- 677 - NEW: Wrongly hyphenated ending -danidja - invalid
smj
Lexicon version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01
- 545 - REGRESSION: bad hyphenation in compounds: åhpadusorganisásjåvnån
(not recognised)
- 546 - REGRESSION: obligatory hyph rules seem to work in facultative
manner: organisásjåvnån (not recognised)
- 547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Jienastimnjuolgadusá and
Orgánajs
We’re waiting for an update from Polderland.
Releases
TODO:
- update the Changes document (Sjur)
- InDesign documentation (Sjur)
- Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji
- public hunspell beta - sometime in May
- public 1.1 update of the Polderland-based tools towards end of May
Other
Corpus contracts + open source
Now decided to wait until we have changed from cvs
to svn
.
TODO:
- publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
(Sjur)
Next meeting, closing
The next meeting is 13.5.2008, 12.00 Norwegian time.
Jovsset is away next week.
Summer vacations for next meeting.
The meeting was closed at 12:07.
Appendix - task lists for the next five days
Boerre
- Hunspell lexicon conversion
- prepare migration to svn (with Sjur, Trond)
- release hunspell public beta during May (with Sjur)
- try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
- define and document testing routines
- fix bugs!
Jovsset
- follow up on
sma
corpus texts
Lene
- get the ped content ready
- Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur
Maaren
- Put the list of possible
sma
corpus sources into a document
Per-Eric
- try to find other authors who have
smj
texts digitaly.
- Work with missing list from texts written by Sigga Tuolja Sandström.
- Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
- Work with missing list sameriekta_tjoahkkagæsos.txt
- Keep the contact with Ulf-Stefan Winka.
- fix bugs!
Saara
- add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
- Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
(source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
- implement the ped UI and functionality
Sjur
- follow up on
sma
corpus texts
- name db/risten.no
- make an improved
sma
project plan
- publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
- prepare migration to svn (with Børre, Trond)
- release hunspell public beta at the end of April (with Børre)
- update the Changes document
- follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652, 656
- InDesign documentation
- add CG regression test with Lene and Trond
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
- define and document testing routines
- fix bugs!
Thomas
- look at test cases still not behaving properly
- review hunspell lexicon branch with Børre
- fix bugs!
Tomi
- Hunspell lexicon conversion
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- fix double hyphen bugs
- Make a pedagogical speller (after MA thesis is delivered)
- fix bugs!
Trond
- Help Jovsset with vislcg3 and sma
- Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
- Prepare svn migration (with Sjur, Børre)
- Work on test routine with Lene and Sjur
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
- define and document testing routines
- fix bugs!.