Meeting setup

Date: 5.5.2008
Time: 10.15 Norw. time
Place: Internet
Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat/Skype

Agenda

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Opening, agenda review, participants

Opened at 10:24.

Present: Børre, Jovsset, Per-Eric, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi, Trond

Absent: none

Agenda accepted as is.

Updated task status since last meeting

Børre

Hunspell lexicon conversion
- Had a discussion with Sjur on wednesday about how to make .dic and .aff files for hunspell.
prepare migration to svn (with Sjur, Trond)
- have set up accounts for the workers at Samediggi and the University of Tromsø. https access is the mandatory access method.
release hunspell public beta at the end of April (with Sjur)
- won’t happen, because of problems converting to the hunspell format
review hunspell lexicon branch (with Thomas), merge with trunk if ok
- done
try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
- not done
make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
- not done
define and document testing routines
- not done
fix bugs!

Jovsset

follow up on sma corpus texts

Lene

get the ped content ready
Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur

Maaren

Put the list of possible sma corpus sources into a document

Per-Eric

try to find other authors who have smj texts digitaly.
- Nothing done
Work with missing list from texts written by Sigga Tuolja Sandström.
- Worked and still working, probably finished with ja_jage_gållin_missing.txtthis week
Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
- Nothing done
Work with missing list sameriekta_tjoahkkagæsos.txt
- Nothing done
Keep the contact with Ulf-Stefan Winka.
- Nothing done
fix bugs!
- Nothing done

Saara

add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
implement the ped UI and functionality

Sjur

follow up on sma corpus texts
- Nothing done
name db/risten.no
- Nothing done
make an improved sma project plan
- Nothing done
publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
- Nothing done
prepare migration to svn (with Børre, Trond)
- tested committing, and some GUI clients sitting on top of the command line
release hunspell public beta at the end of April (with Børre)
- depends on the hunspell development
update the Changes document
follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652, 656
test latest hunspell lexicon
- done
InDesign documentation
- Nothing done
send calendar info to Jovsset
- partially done
add CG regression test with Lene and Trond
- Nothing done
make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
- Nothing done
define and document testing routines
- Nothing done
fix bugs!
other things:
- worked on the dictionary conversion, to make MacOS dictionaries out of the machine translation project resources.

Thomas

look at test cases still not behaving properly
- nothing this week
review hunspell lexicon branch with Børre
- worked all week
fix bugs!
- not much this week

Tomi

Hunspell lexicon conversion
- nothing
document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- not done
fix double hyphen bugs
- not done
Make a pedagogical speller (after MA thesis is delivered)
- not done
fix bugs!
other
- delivered & defended MA thesis

Trond

Help Jovsset with vislcg3 and sma
Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
Prepare svn migration (with Sjur, Børre)
Work on test routine with Lene and Sjur
make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
define and document testing routines
fix bugs!.

Pedagogical software online

Same as last week: working on it. Saara has a demo UI ready for vocabulary games, but not online yet. Lene has worked a lot on the word lists.

We are considering a speller tied to the ped tools, with the lexicon consisting of a predefined set of target words (say, a list ov beverages if asked for what to drink, etc.), and a speller mechanism related to that list. The speller mechanism here could actually be hunspell, as the infrastructure will soon be in place, just include all and only the wanted words.

TODO:

get the content ready (Lene)
implement the UI and functionality (Saara)
get an easy-to-remember URL (UiT/IT)
More thorough skin, layout, … (External person within the Ped team, Internal forrest expert) This we will postponed until later
Make a pedagogical speller (Tomi when finished with his MA thesis)
- Turn off peripheral compounds (numbers, acros, perhaps names)
- Increase editing distance by one for suggestions? Only possible with limited compounding

Documentation

TODO:

start to reorganise the documentation (Børre, Sjur, Trond)

Corpus gathering

Jovsset has sent texts found at sametinget to Børre, mostly his own texts. Still to be added to the corpus repository.

Nothing new regarding smj texts.

TODO:

follow up on sma corpus texts (Sjur, Jovsset)
follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore (Per-Eric)
get texts from Sigga Tuolja Sandstrøm, possibly through Ulf-Stefan Winka (contract is ok now) (Per-Eric)
other contacts: Nord-Salten avis (Børge Strandskog), Lena Davidsson daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
Put the list of possible corpus sources into a document gt/doc/lang/sma/sma-corpus-plan.jspwiki (Maaren)
give contract with blank fields to Per-Eric (Børre)

Future plans, directions and ideas

See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki.

Infrastructure

Lene has worked on the CG test bench, including adding regression testing.

To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of importance):

test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
migrate to svn
merge gt, kt and st into one, probably after the svn move
more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
close certain parts of the code repository (requires svn)
set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
1. permanent chat rooms
2. stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
3. iCal server / group calendars
4. wiki
wiki? (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
improve Forrest stability and i18n support
reorganise the documentation content:
1. differ between target groups
2. get better grouping
3. decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki (cf. Apertium for a similar split)
4. update/add missing parts
migrate lexicons to XML, splitting the task
1. Name lexica (the Name project)
2. Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
3. Open POSes (Komi as a test case)
change the look of the documentation web
sfst? Both as replacement for xfst and for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
investigate the NSIS installer, potentially replacing the InstallShield package from Polderland
corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories?

TODO:

add CG regression test (Lene, Sjur, Trond)
- in progress
make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
- not yet
define and document testing routines (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
- not yet
add Jabber account in iChat
- check that all accounts are ready for iChat on the G5 (Børre)
  - done
- UiT: Lene, Kimme, Saara (Trond)
prepare migration to svn (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
- https access is now working. svn checkout https://gtsvn.uit.no/repos
try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server (Børre)

Linguistics

North Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

Lule Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

TODO:

sme->smj lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and increase smj coverage (Trond, Svenne).
Add the words when all words are ready.

South Sámi

Nothing new since last week.

Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure

Much work last week on the SD-terms collection, and the editing code relating to it. All old legacy code was cleaned and moved into the proper place, and deletion of entries was added.

Next up: to finish the work on the SD-terms collection (editing), then look at the name lexicon, and also dictionary search interface.

TODO:

fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale request) (Sjur)
fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: (Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g. propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files (Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
implement data synchronisation between risten.no and the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
start to use the xml file as source file
clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use (e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, Maaren, linguists)
merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki, Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils (linguists)

Dictionaries

MacOS X electronic dictionaries for smenob and smesmj. They work with Dictionary.app, and by point-and-keypress.

Install in:

~/Library/Dictionaries/

TODO:

find similar frameworks for Linux and Windows
make simple installer applications
make a public release
- Make a homepage with instructions for dictionary use: xtdoc/gtuit/src/documentation/content/xdocs/dict.eng.xml
- Clarify the difference between local and online dictionaries:
  - Plugin for Firefox and Internet Explorer (online dictionaries)
  - Integrated dictionary for Mac 10.5 (local ones), in the future also Windows and Linux

Proofing tools

Hunspell

Strategy for creating .dic and .aff files: Because any wordform can only be split into at most three parts (because hunspell has maximally “double suffix stripping” (ie one suffix + one suffix)), we decided to put wordstems into the dic file, and then put the rest of the wordform into the aff file.

We will make one suffix lexicon for each lexc lexicon

’+’ implies continuation lexicon, ‘*’ implies lack of continuation lexicon.

Wordstems // dersuffix // infl // pos&clitic
100000    //  100       //  100  // 10
100000    +  (100       *   100 ) +   10   = 110 010 = divide late
100000    +   100       +  (100   *   10 ) = 101 100 = divide early

TODO:

test latest lexicon (Sjur)
add smj to the soup, make sure it works roughly as good as sme (Børre, Thomas, Per-Eric)
1. added to derivations, needs to be tested
fix the remaining conversion bugs for sme (Børre, Tomi)
return to smj, and fix whatever is left to fix (Børre, Tomi)
release a public beta at the end of April (Børre, Sjur)

Testing

Spelling Error Markup

TODO:

Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not) (Saara)
test new and nested error markup (Sjur)

Speller bugs

List of bugs returned from Polderland: 621, 630, 652, 656, 676.

Open issues based on test results :

sme

Version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

425 - REGRESSION: other words from Divvun.no - two words rejected
426 - comp words from Divvun.no - guoktedássásaš accepted - still OPEN
435 - roman numbers - REGRESSION: inflection of single letter numbers rejected (but is ok in smj)
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
452 - REGRESSION: several lexical bugs - oažžuin + ožžuin
595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still OPEN
600 - gen+hyph compound sámi-dáru - still OPEN
603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
606 - speller accepts VUOHTA compound - still OPEN
607 - acro + hyphen - still OPEN **NRKGA is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
611 - double hyphen sugg still accepted - still OPEN
613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted - still OPEN
629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
634 - PropGen+hyph+PropGen - still OPEN
641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still OPEN
644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
646 - adverb + hyphen + noun - still OPEN
647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
654 - speller does not recognize ordinals on -nuppelogát - still OPEN
655 - pron + nai - still OPEN
658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN
665 - adverb superlatives; dieppimus, doppimus - NEW
666 - guovtte- and njealje- - NEW
668 - caseforms, ordinals and collectives - NEW
676 - triple-hyphen - NEW

smj

Version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
- please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in smj, as opposed to sme
595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (tsåhkeLot instead of tsåhke-Lot) - still OPEN
600 - gen+hyph compound sáme-dáro - still OPEN
607 - acro + hyphen **NRKGA is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - still OPEN, try to find an acro or abbr me
619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
629 - a taking part in compound - still OPEN
634 - rop gen + hyphen + Prop gen - still OPEN
641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still OPEN
658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN
668 - caseforms, ordinals and collectives - NEW

TODO:

compile new speller lexicons (Tomi)
document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)

Hyphenator bugs

Open issues based on test results :

sme

Lexicon version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

468 - REGRESSION:Márkomeanu
547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Lotnolasealáhusas
548 - REGRESSION: mid syllable hyphenation: Háliidivččen
549 - REGRESSION: division without hyph: Váccedettiin
673 - adj-derivations: guovttenuppelotčoarvvagiin (the word is not rec.)
677 - NEW: Wrongly hyphenated ending -danidja - invalid

smj

Lexicon version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

545 - REGRESSION: bad hyphenation in compounds: åhpadusorganisásjåvnån (not recognised)
546 - REGRESSION: obligatory hyph rules seem to work in facultative manner: organisásjåvnån (not recognised)
547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Jienastimnjuolgadusá and Orgánajs

InDesign tools

We’re waiting for an update from Polderland.

Releases

TODO:

update the Changes document (Sjur)
InDesign documentation (Sjur)
- Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji
public hunspell beta - sometime in May
public 1.1 update of the Polderland-based tools towards end of May

Other

Corpus contracts + open source

Now decided to wait until we have changed from cvs to svn.

TODO:

publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta (Sjur)

Next meeting, closing

The next meeting is 13.5.2008, 12.00 Norwegian time.

Jovsset is away next week.

Summer vacations for next meeting.

The meeting was closed at 12:07.

Appendix - task lists for the next five days

Boerre

Hunspell lexicon conversion
prepare migration to svn (with Sjur, Trond)
release hunspell public beta during May (with Sjur)
try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
define and document testing routines
fix bugs!

Jovsset

follow up on sma corpus texts

Lene

get the ped content ready
Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur

Maaren

Put the list of possible sma corpus sources into a document

Per-Eric

try to find other authors who have smj texts digitaly.
Work with missing list from texts written by Sigga Tuolja Sandström.
Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
Work with missing list sameriekta_tjoahkkagæsos.txt
Keep the contact with Ulf-Stefan Winka.
fix bugs!

Saara

add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
implement the ped UI and functionality

Sjur

follow up on sma corpus texts
name db/risten.no
make an improved sma project plan
publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
prepare migration to svn (with Børre, Trond)
release hunspell public beta at the end of April (with Børre)
update the Changes document
follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652, 656
InDesign documentation
add CG regression test with Lene and Trond
make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
define and document testing routines
fix bugs!

Thomas

look at test cases still not behaving properly
review hunspell lexicon branch with Børre
fix bugs!

Tomi

Hunspell lexicon conversion
document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
fix double hyphen bugs
Make a pedagogical speller (after MA thesis is delivered)
fix bugs!

Trond

Help Jovsset with vislcg3 and sma
Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
Prepare svn migration (with Sjur, Børre)
Work on test routine with Lene and Sjur
make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
define and document testing routines
fix bugs!.