Meeting setup

Date: 19.5.2008
Time: 09.30 Norw. time
Place: Internet
Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat/Skype

Agenda

Cf. one of the following, depending on context:

the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF

Opening, agenda review, participants

Opened at 09:50.

Present: Børre, Per-Eric, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi, Trond

Absent: Jovsset

Agenda accepted as is.

Updated task status since last meeting

Børre

Hunspell lexicon conversion
- Progressing
prepare migration to svn (with Sjur, Trond)
- nothing new
release hunspell public beta during May (with Sjur)
- will probably make it
try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
- not done
make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
- not done
define and document testing routines
- not done
fix bugs!

Jovsset

follow up on sma corpus texts

Lene

get the ped content ready
Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur

Maaren

Put the list of possible sma corpus sources into a document

Per-Eric

try to find other authors who have smj texts digitaly.
- Nothing done
Work with missing list from texts written by Sigga Tuolja Sandström.
- Nearly finished with her texts, have some small corrections left
Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
- Making a missing list just now
Work with missing list sameriekta_tjoahkkagæsos.txt
- Nothing done
Keep the contact with Ulf-Stefan Winka.
- Nothing done
plan a smj pr tour for our tools
- Working with it, made the first draft
fix bugs!

Saara

add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
implement the ped UI and functionality

Sjur

follow up on sma corpus texts
- nothing last week
name db/risten.no
- nothing last week
make an improved sma project plan
- nothing last week
publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
- nothing last week
prepare migration to svn (with Børre, Trond)
- nothing last week
release hunspell public beta at the end of April (with Børre)
- nothing last week
update the Changes document
- nothing last week
follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652, 656
- some on 656
InDesign documentation
- nothing last week
add CG regression test with Lene and Trond
- nothing last week
make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
- nothing last week
define and document testing routines
- nothing last week
sma linguist
- nothing last week
fix bugs!
other tasks:
- pressentation in Stockholm
- updated libraries and command line tools from Polderland
- released internal proofing tools update

Thomas

look at test cases still not behaving properly
- not anything this week
review hunspell lexicon branch with Børre
- worked all week
plan a smj pr tour for our tools
- made first draft
fix bugs!
- not anything this week

Tomi

Hunspell lexicon conversion
- not done
document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- not done
fix double hyphen bugs
- fixed some double hyphens
Make a pedagogical speller (after MA thesis is delivered)
- not done
fix bugs!
- fixed some

Trond

Help Jovsset with vislcg3 and sma
Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
Prepare svn migration (with Sjur, Børre)
Work on test routine with Lene and Sjur
make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
define and document testing routines
Dictionaries
fix bugs!.

Pedagogical software online

Demos online, preliminary only:

gtsvn.uit.no/oahpa/mgame/
gtsvn.uit.no/oahpa/num/

Meeting memos can be found at [http://giellatekno.uit.no/ped/index.html#Meeting+memos]

TODO:

get the content ready (Lene)
implement the UI and functionality (Saara)
get an easy-to-remember URL (UiT/IT)
More thorough skin, layout, … (External person within the Ped team, Internal forrest expert) This we will postponed until later
Make a pedagogical speller (Tomi when finished with his MA thesis)
- Turn off peripheral compounds (numbers, acros, perhaps names)
- Increase editing distance by one for suggestions? Only possible with limited compounding

Documentation

TODO:

start to reorganise the documentation (Børre, Sjur, Trond)

Corpus gathering

P-E has talked again with Børge Strandskog, and he will sign the corpus contract and give us material from Nord-Salten avis.

The smj Divvun tour planning is progressing.

TODO:

follow up on sma corpus texts (Sjur, Jovsset)
follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore (Per-Eric)
get texts from Sigga Tuolja Sandstrøm, possibly through Ulf-Stefan Winka (contract is ok now) (Per-Eric)
other contacts: Nord-Salten avis (Børge Strandskog), Lena Davidsson daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
Put the list of possible corpus sources into a document gt/doc/lang/sma/sma-corpus-plan.jspwiki (Maaren)
give contract with blank fields to Per-Eric (Børre)
plan a smj pr tour for our tools (Per-Eric, Thomas)

Future plans, directions and ideas

See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki.

Infrastructure

To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of importance):

test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
migrate to svn
merge gt, kt and st into one, probably after the svn move
more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
close certain parts of the code repository (requires svn)
set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
1. permanent chat rooms
2. stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
3. iCal server / group calendars
4. wiki
wiki? (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
improve Forrest stability and i18n support
reorganise the documentation content:
1. differ between target groups
2. get better grouping
3. decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki (cf. Apertium for a similar split)
4. update/add missing parts
migrate lexicons to XML, splitting the task
1. Name lexica (the Name project)
2. Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
3. Open POSes (Komi as a test case)
change the look of the documentation web
sfst? Both as replacement for xfst and for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
investigate the NSIS installer, potentially replacing the InstallShield package from Polderland
corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories?

TODO:

add CG regression test (Lene, Sjur, Trond)
- needs to be integrated in the make file
make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
- not yet - depends on the prevous point
define and document testing routines (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
- not yet
add Jabber account in iChat
- UiT: Lene, Kimme, Saara (Trond)
prepare migration to svn (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
- https access is now working. svn checkout https://gtsvn.uit.no/repos
try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server (Børre)

Linguistics

North Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

Lule Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

TODO:

sme->smj lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and increase smj coverage (Trond, Svenne).
Add the words when all words are ready.

South Sámi

Nothing new since last week.

Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure

TODO:

fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale request) (Sjur)
fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: (Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g. propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files (Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
implement data synchronisation between risten.no and the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
start to use the xml file as source file
clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use (e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, Maaren, linguists)
merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki, Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils (linguists)

Dictionaries

Updated version now available at the Divvun download area [http://www.divvun.no/static_files/sme-nob-dict.zip].

What we have works, content-wise and technically, for Mac OS 10.5. Technically, the challenge now is to port it to other OS-es, and generalise the infrastructure to make it easy to add new dictionaries without doubling the infrastructure components.

The linguistic challenges are:

Compounds (must be lexicalised)
Derivations (must be lexicalised)
Better coverage (the words/dicts/smenob/src/inc-* files)
Better dictionary aricles

As for the last point, we are considering a dictionary workshop next winter. But we will then need lexicographers, and routines for using our tools and parallel corpora for finding dictionary examples.

TODO:

clean up and generalise the make infrastructure
make Linux and Windows versions
make simple installer applications
make a public release
- Make a homepage with instructions for dictionary use: xtdoc/gtuit/src/documentation/content/xdocs/dict.eng.xml
- Clarify the difference between local and online dictionaries:
  - Plugin for Firefox and Internet Explorer (online dictionaries)
  - Integrated dictionary for Mac 10.5 (local ones), in the future also Windows and Linux

Proofing tools

Hunspell

Latest test results now committed and linked to.

Børre is working on the conversion.

sme.dic 12MB
sme.aff 873MB

These files are in 129.242.220.111 /Users/boerre/gt/tmp

Simple clitics may also be separate words
- go, ge, gen, ges, gis, nai, ba, ban, be, hal, han, bat, son
combinations of clitics are not separate words as such.
- naigo, goson

Børre will compile new lexicons today.

TODO:

add smj to the soup, make sure it works roughly as good as sme (Børre, Thomas, Per-Eric)
1. added to derivations, needs to be tested
fix the remaining conversion bugs for sme (Børre, Tomi)
return to smj, and fix whatever is left to fix (Børre, Tomi)
make a proper Linux distro (Børre, Tomi)
release a public beta at the end of May (Børre, Sjur)

Testing

Spelling Error Markup

TODO:

Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not) (Saara)
test new and nested error markup (Sjur)

Speller bugs

List of bugs returned from Polderland: 621, 630, 652, 656, 676.

Open issues based on test results:

sme

Version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

425 - other words from Divvun.no - FIXED
426 - comp words from Divvun.no - guoktedássásaš accepted - still OPEN
435 - roman numbers - inflection of single letter numbers rejected, as well as some complex numbers (but is ok in smj) - still OPEN
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
452 - several lexical bugs - oažžuin + ožžuin - FIXED
595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still OPEN
600 - gen+hyph compound sámi-dáru - still OPEN
603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
606 - speller accepts VUOHTA compound - still OPEN
607 - acro + hyphen - FIXED **NRKGA is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
611 - double hyphen sugg still accepted - still OPEN
613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted - still OPEN
629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
634 - PropGen+hyph+PropGen - still OPEN
641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still OPEN
644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
646 - adverb + hyphen + noun - still OPEN
647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
654 - speller does not recognize ordinals on -nuppelogát - still OPEN
655 - pron + nai - still OPEN
658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN
665 - adverb superlatives; dieppimus, doppimus - FIXED
666 - guovtte- and njealje- - NEW
668 - caseforms, ordinals and collectives - FIXED
676 - triple-hyphen - FIXED

smj

Version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
- please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in smj, as opposed to sme
595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (tsåhkeLot instead of tsåhke-Lot) - still OPEN
599 - REGRESSION: numeral attr:s on lot
600 - gen+hyph compound sáme-dáro - still OPEN
607 - acro + hyphen - FIXED **NRKGA is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - still OPEN, try to find an acro or abbr me
619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
629 - a taking part in compound - still OPEN
634 - rop gen + hyphen + Prop gen - still OPEN
641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still OPEN
658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN
668 - caseforms, ordinals and collectives - FIXED

TODO:

compile new speller lexicons (Tomi)
- done, please new compilations on Thursday afternoon
document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)

Hyphenator bugs

Open issues based on test results :

sme

Lexicon version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

468 - REGRESSION:Márkomeanu
547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Lotnolasealáhusas
548 - REGRESSION: mid syllable hyphenation: Háliidivččen
549 - REGRESSION: division without hyph: Váccedettiin
673 - adj-derivations: guovttenuppelotčoarvvagiin (the word is not rec.)
677 - NEW: Wrongly hyphenated ending -danidja - invalid

smj

Lexicon version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

545 - REGRESSION: bad hyphenation in compounds: åhpadusorganisásjåvnån (not recognised)
546 - REGRESSION: obligatory hyph rules seem to work in facultative manner: organisásjåvnån (not recognised)
547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Jienastimnjuolgadusá and Orgánajs

TODO:

test latest hyphenator lexicons (Sjur)

InDesign tools

We have received the expected updates from Polderland.

Releases

TODO:

update the Changes document (Sjur)
InDesign documentation (Sjur)
- Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji
public hunspell beta - sometime in May
public 1.1 update of the Polderland-based tools towards end of May/beginning of June

Other

Corpus contracts + open source

Now decided to wait until we have changed from cvs to svn.

TODO:

publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta (Sjur)

Sjur in Stockholm

Last week - gave a speech on Samiska i IT-samhället.

The meeting was useful. Swedens W3C experience wanted info on Sámi problems with Unicode.

Summer vacations

Who	When
Børre	30/6-6/7, 21/7-3/8, 11/8-17/8
Jovsset	???
Per-Eric	???
Sjur	???
Tomi	16/6 - 4/8
Thomas	23/6 - 21 or 28/7
Trond	30/6 - 18/7, 28/7 - 1/8

Next meeting, closing

The next meeting is 26.5.2008, 9.30 Norwegian time.

The meeting was closed at 11:10.

Appendix - task lists for the next five days

Boerre

Hunspell lexicon conversion
prepare migration to svn (with Sjur, Trond)
release hunspell public beta during May (with Sjur)
make a hunspell package that suits linux distributions
try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
define and document testing routines
fix bugs!

Jovsset

follow up on sma corpus texts

Lene

get the ped content ready
Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur

Maaren

Put the list of possible sma corpus sources into a document

Per-Eric

try to find other authors who have smj texts digitaly.
Work with missing list from texts written by Sigga Tuolja Sandström.
Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
Work with missing list sameriekta_tjoahkkagæsos.txt
Plan a smj pr tour for our tools
Call Julie about my vacationdays (how many I have left)
fix bugs!

Saara

add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
implement the ped UI and functionality

Sjur

follow up on sma corpus texts
name db/risten.no
make an improved sma project plan
publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
prepare migration to svn (with Børre, Trond)
release hunspell public beta at the end of April (with Børre)
update the Changes document
follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652, 656
InDesign documentation
add CG regression test with Lene and Trond
make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
define and document testing routines
sma linguist
test latest hyphenator lexicons
fix bugs!

Thomas

look at test cases still not behaving properly
review hunspell lexicon branch with Børre
fix bugs!

Tomi

Hunspell lexicon conversion
make a hunspell package that suits linux distributions
document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
fix double hyphen bugs
Make a pedagogical speller
fix bugs!

Trond

Help Jovsset with vislcg3 and sma
Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
Prepare svn migration (with Sjur, Børre)
Work on test routine with Lene and Sjur
make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
define and document testing routines
Dictionaries
fix bugs!.