Meeting setup
- Date: 2.6.2008
- Time: 09.30 Norw. time
- Place: Internet
- Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat
Agenda
Cf. one of the following, depending on context:
- the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
- the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF
Opening, agenda review, participants
Opened at 09:41.
Present: Børre, Jovsset, Per-Eric, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi
Absent: Trond
Agenda accepted as is.
Updated task status since last meeting
Børre
- prepare migration to svn (with Sjur, Trond)
- release hunspell public beta during May (with Sjur)
- make a hunspell package that suits linux distributions
- try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
- define and document testing routines
- give test Linux distro to Petter Reinholdtsen on Wednesday
- look into other distro’s as well: Mac, Windows
- have read documentation, will make them by Tuesday
- write README file, it should say BETA
- write installation and usage instructions (online, and in distro)
- fix the remaining hunspell conversion bugs
- fix bugs!
Jovsset
- follow up on
sma
corpus texts
- Talk to the students at Uppsala University about the Verbh book and the
copyrights.
- check Hattfjelldal trip with Lene
- order hotel rooms for the Hattfjelldal trip
Lene
- get the ped content ready
- Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur
Per-Eric
- try to find other authors who have
smj
texts digitaly.
- Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
- Work with missing list sameriekta_tjoahkkagæsos.txt
- Plan a
smj
pr tour for our tools
‘** Nothing done
- fix bugs!
Saara
- add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
- Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
(source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
- implement the ped UI and functionality
Sjur
- follow up on
sma
corpus texts
- name db/risten.no
- make an improved
sma
project plan
- prepare migration to svn (with Børre, Trond)
- release hunspell public beta at the end of May (with Børre)
- not really released, but at least prepared for inclusion in the next Debian
distro - we still need to do some more work for a full release (and define
what we mean with a “full release”), a.o. add a download link on our home
page:)
- update the Changes document
- follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652, 656
- InDesign documentation
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
- define and document testing routines
- nothing since the previous week
- test
sme
and smj
hunspell lexicons using Gold Standard tests
- done.
sme
passed, smj
failed completely
- give test Linux distro to Petter Reinholdtsen on Wednesday
- done, although not on Wednesday
- look into other distro’s as well: Mac, Windows
- write README file, it should say BETA
- write installation and usage instructions (online, and in distro)
- done for Debian distro, briefly for OOo manual installation from the same
distro
- order hotel rooms for the Hattfjelldal/board meeting trip
- organise meeting room for project board meeting
- fix bugs!
Thomas
- look at test cases still not behaving properly
- fix bugs!
Tomi
- make a hunspell package that suits linux distributions
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- fix double hyphen bugs
- Make a pedagogical speller
- fix the remaining hunspell conversion bugs
- fix bugs!
- other
- compiled new speller
- MA delivered
Trond
- Help Jovsset with vislcg3 and sma
- Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
- Prepare svn migration (with Sjur, Børre)
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
- define and document testing routines
- Dictionaries
- check Hattfjelldal trip with Lene
- fix bugs!.
Pedagogical software online
Meeting memos can be found at
[http://giellatekno.uit.no/ped/index.html#Meeting+memos]
Goal for the Hattfjelldal meeting:
Have a sma morfa game ready for the verbs in the Verbh book
TODO:
- get the content ready (Lene)
- implement the UI and functionality (Saara)
- get an easy-to-remember URL (UiT/IT)
- More thorough skin, layout, … (External person within the Ped team,
Internal forrest expert) This we will postponed until later
- Make a pedagogical speller (Tomi when finished with his MA thesis)
- Turn off peripheral compounds (numbers, acros, perhaps names)
- Increase editing distance by one for suggestions? Only possible with limited
compounding
Documentation
TODO:
- start to reorganise the documentation (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
Corpus gathering
We discussed how the last corpus contacts of Per-Eric could be followed up
either before he leaves the project, or by others in the project team.
TODO:
- follow up on
sma
corpus texts (Sjur, Jovsset)
- follow-up on the
smj
texts from Kurt Tore (Per-Eric)
- other contacts: Nord-Salten avis (Børge Strandskog), Lena Davidsson
daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
- Ulf Stefan Winka has a lot of
smj
texts (Thomas)
- plan a
smj
pr tour for our tools (Per-Eric, Thomas)
Future plans, directions and ideas
See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki
.
Infrastructure
To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of
importance):
- test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
- migrate to svn
- merge gt, kt and st into one, probably after the svn move
- more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
- close certain parts of the code repository (requires svn)
- set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
- permanent chat rooms
- stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
- iCal server / group calendars
- wiki
- wiki? (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
- improve Forrest stability and i18n support
- reorganise the documentation content:
- differ between target groups
- get better grouping
- decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki
(cf. Apertium for a similar split)
- update/add missing parts
- migrate lexicons to XML, splitting the task
- Name lexica (the Name project)
- Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
- Open POSes (Komi as a test case)
- change the look of the documentation web
- sfst? Both as replacement for xfst and for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
- investigate the NSIS installer, potentially replacing the InstallShield
package from Polderland
- corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories?
TODO:
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
- define and document testing routines (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
- add Jabber account in iChat
- UiT: Lene, Kimme, Saara (Trond)
- prepare migration to svn (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
- https access is now working.
svn checkout https://gtsvn.uit.no/repos
- try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server (Børre)
Linguistics
North Sámi
(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)
Lule Sámi
(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)
TODO:
sme->smj
lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and
increase smj
coverage (Trond, Svenne).
- Add the words when all words are ready.
South Sámi
Jovsset will ask the authors whether we can get a copy of the Verbh
manuscript in electronic version, with the usual corpus contract.
Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure
TODO:
- fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale
request) (Sjur)
- fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
- finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
- test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: (Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
- make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as
well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g.
propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
- convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files
(Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
- implement data synchronisation between risten.no and
the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server
to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the
official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
- start to use the xml file as source file
- clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use
(e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, Maaren, linguists)
- merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki,
Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
- publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
- add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
- add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils
(linguists)
Dictionaries
TODO:
- clean up and generalise the make infrastructure
- make Linux and Windows local/integrated versions
- make simple installer applications
- make a public release
- Make a homepage with instructions for dictionary use:
xtdoc/gtuit/src/documentation/content/xdocs/dict.eng.xml
- Clarify the difference between local and online dictionaries:
- Plugin for Firefox and Internet Explorer (online dictionaries)
Hunspell
Børre has compiled a new set of lexicons, now also including smj
:
sme.dic 50 MB
sme.aff 873 kB
smj.dic 17 MB
smj.aff 484 kB
These files are in 129.242.220.111 /Users/boerre/gt/tmp
http://divvun.no/static_files/hunspell-se-2008-05-23.zip
Installation (needs the last version of OpenOffice.org 2.4)
Under linux the files se.dic and se.aff must be copied to
/usr/share/myspell/dicts/
In OS X the folder is
/Applications/OpenOffice.org.app/Contents/share/dict/ooo/
Then these lines should be added to the following file:
in Linux:
/usr/share/myspell/dicts/dictionary.lst
in Mac:
/Applications/OpenOffice.org.app/Contents/share/dict/ooo/dictionary.lst
DICT se NO se
DICT se SE se
DICT se FI se
DICT smj NO smj
DICT smj SE smj
Hunspell lexicon distributions:
- Debian tarball (delivered)
- OOo Lingucomponent package (coming)
- zipped lexicon files for manual installation in whatever system the user wants
TODO:
- test
sme
and smj
using Gold Standard tests (Sjur)
- done
- make a proper Linux distro (Børre, Tomi)
- done
- give test Linux distro to Petter Reinholdtsen on Wednesday (Børre, Sjur)
- done on Friday
- look into other distro’s as well: Mac, Windows (Børre, Sjur, …)
- done a bit, needs more work
- write README file, it should say BETA (Børre, Sjur)
- done
- release an OOo distro Tuesday (Børre)
- OOo distro readme and installation (Børre)
- zip distro readme and installation (Børre)
- write installation and usage instructions (online, and in distro)
(Børre, Sjur)
- Børre has started, not yet in cvs
- QA README and installation docs (Trond, Per-Eric)
- not done, depends on the previous task
- translate readme, installation docu (all)
- not done, depends on the previous task
- release a public beta at the end of May (Børre, Sjur)
- released to Debian, still some work for the release to the general audience
- fix the remaining conversion bugs (Børre, Tomi)
- Børre has worked on the
smj
problems
Testing
Spelling Error Markup
TODO:
- Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not,
added to lexicon or not) (Saara)
- test new and nested error markup (Sjur)
Speller bugs
List of bugs returned from Polderland: 621, 630, 652, 656, 676.
Open issues based on test results:
sme
Version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-06-02
- 426 - comp words from Divvun.no - guoktedássásaš accepted - still OPEN
- 435 - roman numbers - inflection of single letter numbers
rejected, as well as some complex numbers (but is ok in
smj
) - still
OPEN
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
separate lexicon file
- 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still
OPEN
- 600 - gen+hyph compound sámi-dáru - still OPEN
- 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
- 606 - speller accepts VUOHTA compound - still OPEN
- 611 - double hyphen sugg still accepted - still OPEN
- 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
- 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
- 627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted - FIXED
- 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
- 633 - REGRESSION: double hyphens accepted
- 634 - PropGen+hyph+PropGen - still OPEN
- 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
- 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still OPEN
- 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
- 646 - adverb + hyphen + noun - still OPEN
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
- 654 - speller does not recognize ordinals on -nuppelogát - still OPEN
- 655 - pron + nai - still OPEN
- 658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN - won’t fix
- 666 - guovtte- and njealje- - FIXED
- 676 - triple-hyphen - FIXED, but double hyphen is still accepted
- other regressions:
- skuvlajagin now accepted
- skierranis now accepted
smj
Version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-06-02
- 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
separate lexicon file
- please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in
smj
, as opposed to sme
- 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (tsåhkeLot instead of tsåhke-Lot) -
still OPEN
- 599 - REGRESSION: numeral attr:s on lot
- 600 - gen+hyph compound sáme-dáro - still OPEN
- 616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - still OPEN, try to find an acro or abbr me
- 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
- 629 - a taking part in compound - still OPEN
- 634 - rop gen + hyphen + Prop gen - still OPEN
- 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
- 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
- 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still OPEN
- 658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN, won’t fix
- 692 - NEW: - numeral-variants
- other regressions:
TODO:
- compile new speller lexicons (Tomi)
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)
Hyphenator bugs
Open issues based on test results :
sme
Lexicon version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01
- 468 - REGRESSION:Márkomeanu
- 547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Lotnolasealáhusas
- 548 - REGRESSION: mid syllable hyphenation: Háliidivččen
- 549 - REGRESSION: division without hyph: Váccedettiin
- 673 - adj-derivations: guovttenuppelotčoarvvagiin (the word is not rec.)
- 677 - NEW: Wrongly hyphenated ending -danidja - invalid
smj
Lexicon version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01
- 545 - REGRESSION: bad hyphenation in compounds: åhpadusorganisásjåvnån
(not recognised)
- 546 - REGRESSION: obligatory hyph rules seem to work in facultative
manner: organisásjåvnån (not recognised)
- 547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Jienastimnjuolgadusá and
Orgánajs
TODO:
- fix hyphenator errors (Tomi)
Nothing new.
Releases
TODO:
- public hunspell beta - end of May
- Debian distro released, two more coming this week
- update the Changes document (Sjur)
- InDesign documentation (Sjur)
- Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji
- public 1.1 update of the Polderland-based tools beginning of June
Other
Trip to Hattfjelldal
We have been asked to move the meeting to Friday or Tuesday, but that isn’t
possible for us. The meeting will be held on Thursday June 12, as already
announced.
TODO:
- check with Lene (Jovsset, Trond)
- order hotel rooms (Jovsset, Sjur)
- organise meeting room for project board meeting (Sjur)
Corpus contracts + open source
Now decided to wait until we have changed from cvs
to svn
.
Summer vacations
Who |
When |
Børre |
30/6-6/7, 21/7-3/8, 11/8-17/8 |
Jovsset |
??? |
Per-Eric |
11/6-30/6 |
Sjur |
Mainly in July, dates not set |
Tomi |
16/6 - 4/8 |
Thomas |
23/6 - 21 or 28/7 |
Trond |
30/6 - 18/7, 28/7 - 1/8 |
Divvun feedback
Jovsset was at the Giellagiella seminar last week, with language
workers. They knew very little about the Divvun project, and what we provide. We
need to inform better about ourselves and our “products”.
Next meeting, closing
The next meeting is 9.6.2008, 9.30 Norwegian time.
The meeting was closed at 11:00.
Appendix - task lists for the next five days
Boerre
- prepare migration to svn (with Sjur, Trond)
- try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
- define and document testing routines
- look into other hunspell distro’s as well: Mac, Windows
- write installation and usage instructions (online, and in distro)
- release an OOo distro Tuesday
- OOo distro readme and installation
- zip distro readme and installation
- fix the remaining hunspell conversion bugs
- fix bugs!
Jovsset
- follow up on
sma
corpus texts
- Talk to the students at Uppsala University about the Verbh book and the
copyrights.
- check Hattfjelldal trip with Lene
- order hotel rooms for the Hattfjelldal trip
Lene
- get the ped content ready
- Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur
Per-Eric
- follow-up on the
smj
texts from Kurt Tore (Per-Eric)
- follow-up contracts from Nord-Salten avis and Lena Davidsson
- Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
- Plan a
smj
pr tour for our tools
- fix bugs!
Saara
- add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
- Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
(source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
- implement the ped UI and functionality
Sjur
- follow up on
sma
corpus texts
- name db/risten.no
- make an improved
sma
project plan
- prepare migration to svn (with Børre, Trond)
- update the Changes document
- follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
- InDesign documentation
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
- define and document testing routines
- look into other distro’s as well: Mac, Windows
- order hotel rooms for the Hattfjelldal/board meeting trip
- organise meeting room for project board meeting
- fix bugs!
Thomas
- look at test cases still not behaving properly
- contact Ulf Stefan Winka for
smj
texts
- fix bugs!
Tomi
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- fix double hyphen bugs
- fix PL hyphenator errors
- Make a pedagogical speller
- fix bugs!
Trond
- Help Jovsset with vislcg3 and sma
- Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
- Prepare svn migration (with Sjur, Børre)
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
- define and document testing routines
- Dictionaries
- check Hattfjelldal trip with Lene
- fix bugs!.