Meeting setup
- Date: 25.8.2008
- Time: 09.30 Norw. time
- Place: Internet
- Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat
Agenda
Cf. one of the following, depending on context:
- the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
- the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF
Opening, agenda review, participants
Opened at 10:03.
Present: Ciprian, Jovsset, Sjur, Thomas, Trond
Absent: Børre, Tomi
Agenda accepted as is.
Updated task status since last meeting
Børre
- repair G5
- backed up G5
- moved all required services to the old Linux server, but it isn’t working as
well as it should (divvun.no going down all the time, and the restart script
does not work)
- worked hard to move all services to the XServe, and to document the prosess
- tested RAM, contacted MacOffice
- fix the remaining hunspell conversion bugs
- worked on it a lot, trying to reduce memory consumption
- change license on hunspell distros to GPL2+
- fix bugs!
Ciprian
- close the open SVN repository at requested paths (ongoing task)
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (with Sjur and Trond)
- define and document testing routines (with Sjur and Trond)
- look at our existing dictionaries and processing tools (ongoing work)
- checking the smenob-entries (automatic pos-assignment for certain lemmata) using the lookup tool
- sketch suggestions for improved dictionary infrastructure (ongoing work)
- need more documetation reading about exist/XML-DBs
- continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Sjur, Trond)
Jovsset
- follow up on
sma
corpus texts. Call Sijti Jarnge and Gun Utsi.
- get the Verbh manuscript in electronic form
- Write and translate leaflet text
- distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common
sami centres in all of Sápmi
Lene
- Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur
Per-Eric
- follow-up on the
smj
texts from Kurt Tore
- follow-up contracts from Nord-Salten avis and Lena Davidsson
- Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
- Plan a
smj
pr tour for our tools
- contact Ulf Stefan Winka for
smj
texts
- fix bugs!
Saara
- add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
- Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
(source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
- implement the ped UI and functionality
Sjur
- follow up on
sma
corpus texts
- name db/risten.no
- nothing here, but more discussions about dictionary infrastructure
- update the Changes document
- follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
- InDesign documentation
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (with Trond and Ciprian)
- define and document testing routines (with Trond and Ciprian)
- write leaflet text
- hire
sma
linguist
- much work here, job interviews now ready and will be conducted this week
- continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Ciprian, Trond)
- fix bugs!
- other things:
- major progress in updating Forrest pdf plugin to support our needs (ie proper
i18n and l10n), not yet finished. The goal of the work is to make it possible
for us to use standard Forrest, instead of the tailored variant we’re using
now
Thomas
- look at test cases still not behaving properly
- translate leaflet text
- fix bugs!
Tomi
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- fix double hyphen bugs
- fix PL hyphenator errors
- fix PL and Hunspell conversion bugs
- fix bugs!
Trond
- Set up Jabber for Lene
- This time, I have forgotten it.
- this one depends on the G5 / divvun.no server being online, will at least
have to wait until the XServe has taken over the G5 duties
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (with Sjur and Ciprian)
- Still buried under dictionaries
- define and document testing routines (with Sjur and Ciprian)
- Still buried under dictionaries
- Evaluate Hunspell README and installation docs (cf. Divvun frontpage)
- Dictionaries
- Done substantial updates to the content itself.
- rewrite
.bashrc
aliases geared towards cvs, if needed
- prepare external users: Jack Ruether
- continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Ciprian, Sjur)
- Done. The discussion continues.
- fix bugs!.
- Other:
- Made first version of the textual side of a Sámi tts.
- Deadline for 3 articles this month.
Pedagogical software online
Continuously making progress.
Meeting memos can be found at
[http://giellatekno.uit.no/ped/index.html#Meeting+memos]
TODO:
- implement the UI and functionality (Saara)
- get an easy-to-remember URL (UiT/IT)
- More thorough skin, layout, … (External person within the Ped team,
Internal forrest expert) This we will postponed until later
Corpus gathering
Next step: Jovsset to call Sijti Jarnge for texts.
Could we get an updated list of Norwegian-Sámi place name pairs from Statens
kartverk? Cf [http://yr.no], which is giving the correct weather forecast independent
of which language the place name is written in, that is, they already have such
a list. This will help the Ped project, and is useful to all of us. Thomas
could look into this.
TODO:
- follow up on
sma
corpus texts (Sjur, Jovsset)
- follow-up on the
smj
texts from Kurt Tore (Per-Eric)
- other contacts: Nord-Salten avis (Børge Strandskog), Lena Davidsson
daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
- Ulf Stefan Winka has a lot of
smj
texts (Per-Eric)
- Thomas has discussed this with Per-Eric
- plan a
smj
pr tour for our tools (Per-Eric, Thomas)
- meet with the Sámi publishers (meeting delayed) (Jovsset)
- make leaflet to inform about the project (Jovsset)
- first draft available at
xtdoc/sd/src/documentation/content/xdocs/leaflet.nb.jspwiki
(there is
also a Swedish version there)
- translate text when it is finished (Thomas, Jovsset)
- distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common
sami centres in all of Sápmi. Gaaltije in Östersund for example.
(Leif Åge, Jovsset)
Future plans, directions and ideas
See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki
.
Infrastructure
To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of
importance):
- test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
- test bench enhanced, but not yet complete
- close certain parts of the svn code repository
- on the todo list
- more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
- merge gt, kt and st into one
- set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
- permanent chat rooms
- stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
- iCal server / group calendars
- wiki
- wiki? on G5 (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
- improve Forrest stability and i18n support ( the divvun crashes)
- Sjur has been working on better i18n and pdf rendering
- Børre has some ideas for getting back to serving static html files
- reorganise the documentation:
- differ between target groups
- get better grouping
- decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki
(cf. Apertium (http://www.apertium.org/ and
http://xixona.dlsi.ua.es/apertium/) for a similar split)
- update/add missing parts
- migrate lexc lexicons to XML, splitting the task
- Name lexica (the Name project)
- Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
- At least migrate the lexc open POSes (Komi as a pilot case)
- change the look of the documentation web
- sfst? Both as replacement for xfst and for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
- investigate the NSIS installer, potentially replacing the InstallShield
package from Polderland
- corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories?
- update infrastructure to allow content-restricted spellers for special target
groups
SVN issues:
- http access not yet available (https only at the moment, but it works as
anonymous checkout if the user is not specified)
- read access to the whole repo is working, BUT:
gt/*/polderland
should be protected
plan
should be protected
- everything will be google-able by default if the repo URL is posted
- certain users need to be on the UiT VPN to be able to commit (bug #705)
TODO:
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- define and document testing routines (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- add Jabber account in iChat for Lene (Trond)
- follow-up migration to svn:
- close the open SVN repository at requested paths (Ciprian)
- rewrite
.bashrc
aliases geared towards cvs, if needed (Trond)
- prepare and discuss with external users: Jack Ruether (Trond)
- try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server (Børre)
- update the OS at the same time
- the G5 needs repair (Børre)
Linguistics
North Sámi
(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)
http://giellatekno.uit.no/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=711
Lule Sámi
(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)
TODO:
sme->smj
lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and
increase smj
coverage (Trond).
- Add the words when all words are ready.
South Sámi
TODO:
- get the Verbh manuscript in electronic form (Jovsset)
- hire a linguist (Sjur)
Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure
TODO:
- fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale
request) (Sjur)
- fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
- finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
- test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: (Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
- make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add
nob
as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g.
propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
- convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files
(Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
- implement data synchronisation between risten.no and
the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server
to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the
official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
- start to use the xml file as source file
- clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use
(e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, linguists)
- merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki,
Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
- publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
- add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
- add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils
(linguists)
Dictionaries
September:
- content revision of smenob:
- split in noun, propernoun, adj, verb, other
- make better content
- fix the frontend issue (windows, linux)
- Evaluate dictionary providers (Stardict, …)
- Platform?
TODO:
- look at our existing dictionaries (Ciprian)
- sketch suggestions (Ciprian)
- Continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- clean up and generalise the make infrastructure
- make Linux and Windows local/integrated versions
- make simple installer applications
- make a public release
- Make a homepage with instructions for dictionary use:
xtdoc/gtuit/src/documentation/content/xdocs/dict.eng.xml
- Clarify the difference between local and online dictionaries:
- Plugin for Firefox and Internet Explorer (online dictionaries)
Hunspell
The conversion script runs out of memory and crashes. Børre is looking into
alternative ways of doing the conversion.
TODO:
- change license on distros to GPL2+ (Børre)
- QA README and installation docs (Trond)
- fix the remaining conversion bugs (Børre, Tomi)
Testing
Spelling Error Markup
TODO:
- Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not,
added to lexicon or not) (Saara)
- test new and nested error markup (Sjur)
Speller bugs
List of bugs returned from Polderland: 621, 630, 652, 656, 676.
Open issues based on test results:
sme
Version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-06-02
- 426 - comp words from Divvun.no - guoktedássásaš accepted - still OPEN
- 435 - roman numbers - inflection of single letter numbers
rejected, as well as some complex numbers (but is ok in
smj
) - still
OPEN
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
separate lexicon file
- 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still
OPEN
- 600 - gen+hyph compound sámi-dáru - still OPEN
- 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
- 606 - speller accepts VUOHTA compound - still OPEN
- 611 - double hyphen sugg still accepted - still OPEN
- 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
- 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
- 627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted - FIXED
- 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
- 633 - REGRESSION: double hyphens accepted
- 634 - PropGen+hyph+PropGen - still OPEN
- 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
- 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still OPEN
- 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
- 646 - adverb + hyphen + noun - still OPEN
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
- 654 - speller does not recognize ordinals on -nuppelogát - still OPEN
- 655 - pron + nai - still OPEN
- 658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN - won’t fix
- 666 - guovtte- and njealje- - FIXED
- 676 - triple-hyphen - FIXED, but double hyphen is still accepted
- other regressions:
- skuvlajagin now accepted
- skierranis now accepted
smj
Version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-06-02
- 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
separate lexicon file
- please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in
smj
, as opposed to sme
- 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (tsåhkeLot instead of tsåhke-Lot) -
still OPEN
- 599 - REGRESSION: numeral attr:s on lot
- 600 - gen+hyph compound sáme-dáro - still OPEN
- 616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - still OPEN, try to find an acro or abbr me
- 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
- 629 - a taking part in compound - still OPEN
- 634 - rop gen + hyphen + Prop gen - still OPEN
- 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
- 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
- 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still OPEN
- 658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN, won’t fix
- 692 - NEW: - numeral-variants
- other regressions:
TODO:
- compile new speller lexicons (Tomi)
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)
Hyphenator bugs
Open issues based on test results :
sme
Lexicon version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01
- 468 - REGRESSION:Márkomeanu
- 547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Lotnolasealáhusas
- 548 - REGRESSION: mid syllable hyphenation: Háliidivččen
- 549 - REGRESSION: division without hyph: Váccedettiin
- 673 - adj-derivations: guovttenuppelotčoarvvagiin (the word is not rec.)
- 677 - NEW: Wrongly hyphenated ending -danidja - invalid
smj
Lexicon version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01
- 545 - REGRESSION: bad hyphenation in compounds: åhpadusorganisásjåvnån
(not recognised)
- 546 - REGRESSION: obligatory hyph rules seem to work in facultative
manner: organisásjåvnån (not recognised)
- 547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Jienastimnjuolgadusá and
Orgánajs
TODO:
- fix hyphenator errors (Tomi)
Nothing new.
Releases
Support for new Microsoft Office suite in next release. We are waiting for
new release to be available to subcontractors.
Within a month or so we will release a new version of the spellers, including
support for the new Office version, and for Hunspell and aspell if feasible.
Beyond improved MS Office version support, we should fix all known linguistic
bugs as well.
TODO:
- update the Changes document (Sjur)
- InDesign documentation (Sjur)
- Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji
Other
Speech synthesis
Trond had a meeting last week with some relevant parties, and has made a
first draft conversion from Sámi text to a Finnish-like transcription suitable
for an online synthesis demo for Finnish.
cat text | preprocess | lookup -flags mbTT -utf8 bin/phon-sme.fst | cut -f2 | tr '\n' ' ' | see
Glue the result in here: [http://www.bitlips.fi/tts/demo.cgi]
Forthcoming Sámi allaskuvla conference
Info on the
conference site.
Title submitted is: Goallosteapmi ja suorggideapmi Divvun-reaidduin
Registration:
[http://www.viaregi.no/registration/deltagerweb.aspx?kid=3440&aid=8700]
Registration deadline is September 10.
Jovsset’s neighbor is working at the ABC company, and didn’t know about the
Divvun tools. Some sort of publicity or commercial for our tools within Sápmi is
really needed. It is really important to reach the end users with
information about the Divvun project.
TODO:
- Make a download log (Børre)
- Finish leaflet
- CD distribution
- use a newspaper or something to write about the tools from an end-user point
of view (a review in Š, Ávvir, Nordsalten avis? )
- Prepare for a coordinated info campaign when Ped is ready (inform teachers
about Divvun as well as Ped when we inform about Ped)
- Tour de Divvun (smj info tour)
- get a stable site!
- e-mail list of interested persons (local “installers”/gurus should be on it)
Forrest news
New Forrest component: OOo document out. Hopefully also vice versa (there is
already a plugin that reads OOo documents).
Goal: Use an off-the-shelf Forrest (the latest, that is), instead of our own
version of it.
The memory leak issue is still open, but we are hoping for progress. The
workaround here is a restart script every 3rd minute. This script worked on
the G5, but not on Linux.
Summer vacations
The Divvun team should report their vacation days to Julie. Thomas and Sjur
done, Børre and Tomi todo.
Corpus contracts + open source
Postponed until the svn repository is fully functional (it is too open now).
Next meeting, closing
The next meeting is 1.9.2008, 9.30 Norwegian time.
The meeting was closed at 11:41.
Appendix - task lists for the next five days
Boerre
- repair G5
- fix the remaining hunspell conversion bugs
- change license on hunspell distros to GPL2+
- Make a divvun-tools download log
- fix bugs!
Ciprian
- close the open SVN repository at requested paths
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (with Sjur and Trond)
- define and document testing routines (with Sjur and Trond)
- look at our existing dictionaries
- sketch suggestions for improved dictionary infrastructure
- continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Sjur, Trond)
Jovsset
- follow up on
sma
corpus texts. Call Sijti Jarnge and Gun Utsi.
- get the Verbh manuscript in electronic form
- Write and translate leaflet text
- distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common
sami centres in all of Sápmi.
- Talk to author of gåessie dah jeatjebh åerieminie, Christer Olofsson.
- letter to whomever it may concern about the divvun projekt. Translation needed to julevsami and finnish.
Lene
- Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur
Per-Eric
- follow-up on the
smj
texts from Kurt Tore
- follow-up contracts from Nord-Salten avis and Lena Davidsson
- Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
- Plan a
smj
pr tour for our tools
- contact Ulf Stefan Winka for
smj
texts
- fix bugs!
Saara
- add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
- Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
(source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
- implement the ped UI and functionality
Sjur
- follow up on
sma
corpus texts
- name db/risten.no
- update the Changes document
- follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
- InDesign documentation
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (with Trond and Ciprian)
- define and document testing routines (with Trond and Ciprian)
- write leaflet text
- hire
sma
linguist
- continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Ciprian, Trond)
- continue work with phon (with Patrik, Biret-Ánne, Thomas(?))
- fix bugs!
Thomas
- look at test cases still not behaving properly
- translate leaflet text
- get updated list of Norwegian-Sámi name-pairs from Statens Kartverk
- fix bugs!
Tomi
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- fix double hyphen bugs
- fix PL hyphenator errors
- fix PL and Hunspell conversion bugs
- fix bugs!
Trond
- Hunspell QA README and installation docs (ask Börre for details)
- Set up Jabber for Lene
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (with Sjur and Ciprian)
- define and document testing routines (with Sjur and Ciprian)
- Evaluate Hunspell README and installation docs (cf. Divvun frontpage)
- Dictionaries
- prepare external users: Jack Ruether
- continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Ciprian, Sjur)
- fix bugs!.