Meeting setup
- Date: 12.1.2009
- Time: 09.30 Norw. time
- Place: Internet
- Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat
Agenda
Cf. one of the following, depending on context:
- the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
- the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF
Opening, agenda review, participants
Opened at 09:46.
Present: Børre, Ciprian, Jovsset, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi, Trond
Absent: David
Agenda accepted.
Updated task status since last meeting
Børre
- work on and debug compounds in Hunspell
- leaflet: add Linux info
- Make a divvun-tools download log
gt/Makefile
remake
- fine tune suggestions
- improve OOo instructions
- fix bugs!
Ciprian
- close the open SVN repository at requested paths
- continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Sjur, Trond)
- improve processing of new corpus documents
- make the pipeline of StarDict dictionary generation running on the Mac
- update the Makefile for generating dictionaries (related to the dictionary
infrastructure task)
- take care of the error logging during conversion process
- look at the xml conversion quality
- continue the search and testing of an appropriate tool for
lexicon working (no xml-file editing via text editors!)
- generate new sme:nob/nob:sme dictionaries in all formats, marking them as
“Beta”-versions (Sjur’s proposal to use an image background for that purpose)
- partly done, nob:sme to redo, sma:nob to extend and improve
- infrastructure remake - news discussion
- short meeting to go through missing points before a dictionary release
(with Sjur, Trond)
- dictionary discussion on estethics, layout (with Trond)
- fix bugs!
David
- continue gathering
sma
corpus texts
- uploaded one book to the corpus repository and now analysing it.
- prepare a workshop on South Sámi orthography and grammar (David)
- prepare data for each topic (with Sjur and Trond)
- gathering topics when analysing corpus material.
- call Ristin Persson for permission to use Sámi Radio texts
- stay in touch with UmU about c-thesises in south sami
- Call Fylkesmannen i Nordland
- did nothing on that last week
- send open invitation to Trondheim seminar to Joseph (withSjur)
- Contact Sig-Britt Persson about corpus texts and Seminar
- done, Pia talked to Gerd Persson who is going to think about giving texts to us. Pia con unfortunately not come to the seminar.
- Translate light version contract to swedish
- Contact Lena Kappfjell and Lajla Mattsson Magga about seminar
- reached Lena via mail, but not Lajla.
Jovsset
- write a short e-mail about the release, and send it to our release e-mail list
- get the list of verbs from the auhtors ofVerbh.
- Find a suitable infrastructure for the distribution of the CD version.
Possible through the library bus, the language centres and common
sami centres in all of Sápmi.
- write formal letter to translator of Gåessie dah jeatjebh åerieminie
- leaflet: review the Windows pictures, and usage instructions for MS Office.
Review especially the select sami language part.
- Write installation instructions for word 2003
- better Windows usage descriptions, with emphasis on the pitfalls
- work with missing lists
Per-Eric
- transfer the
smj
texts by Kurt Tore and Ulf Stefan Winka to our
corpus repository
- follow-up contract from Lena Davidsson
- fix bugs!
Saara
- add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
- Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
(source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
- implement the ped UI and functionality
Sjur
- name db/risten.no
- had one day of studies on XForms - looks ok for a web-based front-end to XML
databases, like eXist; needs further investigation
- follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
- InDesign documentation
- continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Ciprian, Trond)
- Contact Davvi Girji about cooperation on electronic dictionaries
- subcontractor work for
sma
proofing tools, MS and Adobe versions
- support and maintenance contract for
sme
and smj
, MS+Adobe tools
- Sámi languages as part of Norsk språkbank
- contact MS Nordic, and ask them to include the Divvun tools in the next Office
releases
- short meeting to go through missing points before a dictionary release
(with Ciprian, Trond)
- leaflet: add link to OOo installation and usage instructions
- leaflet: add InDesign text
- make an installer for the InDesign Divvun tools
- fix bugs!
- other issues:
- preparing travels this week
- working on preparations for the maintenance organisation
Thomas
- gather the
smj
texts from Nord-Salten avis (online archive)
- work on and debug compounds in Hunspell
- look at test cases still not behaving properly
- write a short e-mail about the release, and send it to our release e-mail list
- fix bugs!
Tomi
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- fix double hyphen bugs
- fix PL hyphenator bugs
- fix PL and Hunspell conversion bugs
- infrastructure remake
- document the error type selection feature in ccat
- fix bugs!
Trond
- Implement new version of giellatekno front page without ToC (with Børre)
- prepare data for each topic at
sma
workshop (with David and Sjur)
- dictionary discussion on estethics, layout (with Ciprian)
- meeting to go through missing points before a dictionary release
(with Ciprian, Sjur)
- fix bugs!.
Pedagogical software online
Meeting memos can be found at
[http://giellatekno.uit.no/ped/index.html#Meeting+memos]
Working towards the release, in the first week of February. Both the ped tools
and the core sme-nob
dictionary.
oahpa.uit.no should be operative and shall be redirected to
gtsvn.uit.no/oahpa/
. At the moment, it directs nowhere. Trond discussed
this with Ingeborg. There is a typo, and it is already fixed. So, now both
varieties are registered, and directed to gtsvn.uit.no.
TODO
- Register oahpa.no (Trond)
- “bind” oahpa.uit.no to gtsvn.uit.no (and oapha.uit.no to oahpa.uit.no)
(UiT IT team)
- map oahpa.uit.no to gtsvn.uit.no/oahpa/ (Børre, Saara?)
- Beta test at lib and give feedback (all)
Corpus gathering
TODO:
- continue gathering
sma
corpus texts (David, Jovsset)
- transfer the
smj
texts by Kurt Tore and Ulf Stefan Winka to our
corpus repository (Per-Eric)
- other contacts: Lena Davidsson, daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
- make a 1-page, light version of the contract, also in Swedish
(Børre, David, Sjur, Trond)
- Bokmål and Northern Sami versions are commited at
xtdoc/sd/src/documentation/content/xdocs/adm/legal/short-contract.(nb|se).xml
- discuss infra improvements for corpus rep administration (Børre, Ciprian)
- delayed till we are done with the
gt/Makefile
improvements
- gather the
smj
texts from Nord-Salten avis (online archive)
(Thomas)
- done
- check for documents with many red underlines, and use those as gold standard
documents for
smj
(Thomas)
TODO:
- Make a download log (Børre)
- progressing, first statistics page available on Wednesday
- make leaflet to inform about the project (Jovsset, David)
- better Windows usage descriptions, with emphasis on the pitfalls
(Jovsset)
- add link to OOo installation and usage instructions (Sjur)
- improve OOo instructions (Børre)
- add Linux info (Børre)
- add InDesign text (Sjur) - requires installer
- review the Windows pictures, and usage instructions for MS Office 2003
(Jovsset)
- distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common
sami centres in all of Sápmi. Gaaltije in Östersund for example.
(Leif Åge, Jovsset)
- contact MS Nordic, and ask them to include the Divvun tools in the next Office
releases (both Windows and Mac). The integration can/should be done by
Polderland, which is an official MS subcontractor/integrator. It could be used
by MS as part of their advertising for the next releases, and it will make it
much easier for people to get access to the tools. (Sjur)
- write a short memo from the meeting with John Marcus (Jovsset)
Future plans, directions and ideas
See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki
.
Infrastructure
To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of
importance):
- test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
- test bench enhanced, but not yet complet
- set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
- permanent chat rooms
- stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
- iCal server / group calendars
- wiki
- wiki? on G5 (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
- improve Forrest stability and i18n support ( the divvun crashes)
- Sjur has been working on better i18n and pdf rendering
- Børre has some ideas for getting back to serving static html files
- reorganise the documentation:
- differ between target groups
- get better grouping
- decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki
(cf. Apertium and
[http://xixona.dlsi.ua.es/apertium/]) for a similar split)
- update/add missing parts
- migrate lexc lexicons to XML, splitting the task
- Name lexica (the Name project)
- Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
- At least migrate the lexc open POSes (Komi as a pilot case)
- change the look of the documentation web
- sfst?
- replacement for xfst -> see [omorf
| http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/kieliteknologia/tutkimus/omor/index.shtml],
omorf wiki and
omorfi
- replacement for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
- investigate the NSIS installer,
potentially replacing the InstallShield
package from Polderland
- corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories? Norsk språkbank?
- update infrastructure to allow content-restricted spellers for special target
groups
SVN issues:
- http access not yet available (https only at the moment, but it works as
anonymous checkout if the user is not specified)
- read access to the whole repo is working, BUT:
gt/*/polderland
should be protected
plan
should be protected
- certain users need to be on the UiT VPN to be able to commit (bug #705)
- UTF-8 problem in svn commit mails: the commit log text is garbled
SVN mail issue:
David still doesn’t receive svn mails - his .forward
file doesn’t seem to
work.
original david/.forward (until 10.00 today)
jonasson.david@gmail.com, david
now (from 10.00 today):
david.jonasson@samediggi.no
TODO:
- infrastructure remake: (Børre, Ciprian, Saara, Sjur, Tomi, Trond)
- more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
- merge gt, kt and st into one
- modularised preprocess and spellrelax
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- define and document testing routines (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- follow-up migration to svn:
- close the open SVN repository at requested paths (Ciprian)
- completely closed at the moment, until we have solved the path-based control
- prepare and discuss with external users: Jack Ruether (Trond)
- test iCal Server (on G5) (Børre)
- remove TOC from the giellatekno home page by using dispatcher (Trond)
Linguistics
North Sámi
(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)
Lule Sámi
(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)
South Sámi
TODO:
- step two for adjectives (David, Trond, Sjur)
- finish reformulating the proper noun grammar like the verbs (Sjur, Trond)
- Missing list (focus on closed class words and addition on missing nouns,
adjectives and verbs) (David, Jovsset)
- prepare a workshop on South Sámi orthography and grammar (David)
- date: last week of February (23.-27.) seems to work fine with SGL/South Sámi
branch
- Place: tentatively Trondheim, nothing decided, no meeting rooms ordered
- we’ll cover travel and hotel expenses
- we’ll invite both SGL and as many of the other key persons in the
sma
writing/normativity community as possible
- set up a preliminary agenda (David, Sjur)
- check in first sketch
- send copy of letter to Sjur
the seminar will be held
- prepare data for each topic (David, Sjur, Trond)
- prepare open invitation to Trondheim seminar (David, Sjur)
- clean the
smanob
data (Trond with some help)
- find a conference location for our
sma
seminar in Trondheim (David)
Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure
Instead of building our own webforms and back-end update scripts, use XForms
with a premade connection to our xml db. Orbeon XForms is such a tool (open
source).
From the meeting with the terminology and IT teams last week:
- no major rework on the present search interface now
- no work on the editing section; instead:
- add existing lists of sanctioned terminology as separate term entities
- add a dictionary if we can make one with sufficient quality
This means the following tasks:
- find already approved lists, in paper or electronic form (term team)
- convert paper lists to electronic lists (term team)
- convert lists to standard XML (Sjur, Tomi)
- add prepared lists to risten.no (Sjur, Tomi)
TODO:
- fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale
request) (Sjur)
- fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
- finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
- test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: (Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
- make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add
nob
as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g.
propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
- convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files
(Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
- implement data synchronisation between risten.no and
the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server
to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the
official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
- start to use the xml file as source file
- clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use
(e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, linguists)
- merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki,
Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
- publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
- add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
- add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils
(linguists)
Dictionaries
Status
- sma-nob first alpha released internally before Christmas. Needs morphology.
- We need to finish one dictionary till the oahpa release:
- a subset of smenob / nobsme with the Álgosátnegirji and oahpa lemmas.
fst dic
verbs 3938# 1490
nouns 4372* 979
* = no trans
1. = trans to swedish
#. add the additional verbs, with the swedish translations marked as such
#. add the swedish translations for all verbs
#. add morpho for the whole dict
take both translations? yes
syntax of verb-sma-lex.txt:
lemma:stem CONTLEX "translation" ;
needed in dict: lemma and declension class and translation
declension class (I-VI) can be inferred from the continuation lexicon, the
relevant class can be found in verb-sma-lex.txt and sma-lex.txt.
Milestone for smanob:
the South Sámi seminar would be a nice opportunity to show our smanob
dictionary, but only if using the Hemnes list seems acceptable by the audience,
both in a legal and linguistic sense.
TODO:
- Continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- make simple installer applications
- make a public release
- Make a homepage with instructions for dictionary use:
xtdoc/gtuit/src/documentation/content/xdocs/dict.eng.xml
- Clarify the difference between local and online dictionaries:
- Plugin for Firefox and Internet Explorer (online dictionaries)
- Contact Davvi Girji about cooperation on electronic dictionaries (Sjur)
- short meeting to go through missing points before a release
(Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
Hunspell
Beta6 released as part of the 1.1 release of the Divvun tools. Report all bugs
in Bugzilla.
TODO:
- work on and debug compounds (Børre, Thomas)
OpenXSpell
Working everywhere (almost) in MacOS X applications, provides Sámi spell
checking system-wide through a hunspell back-end.
OpenXSPell
There are two issues:
- strings with non-ASCII chars are always flagged
- asking for suggestions on words witn non-ASCII chars crashes OpenXSpell
Testing
Spelling Error Markup
TODO:
- Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not,
added to lexicon or not) (Saara)
- test new and nested error markup (Sjur)
- nesting still needs to be tested, depends on new
ccat
feature
Speller testing
TODO:
- test the error type selection feature in ccat (Sjur)
- document the feature (Tomi)
Speller bugs
List of bugs returned from Polderland: 621, 630, 652, 656, 676.
Status as of the 1.1 release: 13 open sme
bugs, 9 open smj
bugs.
Open issues based on test results:
sme
Version: Davvisámi, version 1.1, 2008-12-17
- 425 - X not recognized; single letters were left out - OPEN
- 435 - roman numbers - inflection of single letter numbers
rejected, as well as some complex numbers (but is ok in
smj
) - still
OPEN
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
separate lexicon file
- 581 - consonant doubling - still OPEN
- 595 - prefix+name without hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still
OPEN
- 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
- 606 - REGRESSION: compound-tags LEXICON VUOHTA
- 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
- 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - vihttasoarttat
remaining - still OPEN
- 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
- only open case has word A-finálaid compounded
- 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still OPEN
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN, open case has uppercase letters
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 728 - vowel shortening GenCmp+Left-tagged - still OPEN
smj
Version: Julevsáme, version 1.1, 2008-12-17
- 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
separate lexicon file
- please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in
smj
, as opposed to sme
- 595 - prefix+name as split comp without hyphen - still OPEN
- 596 - REGRESSION: C-giellan is not accepted
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN, open case has uppercase letters
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still OPEN
- 652 - UPPERCASE-typos only get acronym-suggestions - still OPEN
- 692 - numeral-variants - all but one fixed (gáktsalågenantjuotakta), but
still OPEN
- 711 - REGRESSION: numeral compounds and cases (10-biejvvásattja)
TODO:
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)
Hyphenator bugs
Open issues based on test results :
sme
Lexicon version: Davvisámi, version 1.1, 2008-12-17
- 468 - Márkomeanu - still OPEN
- 547 - hyphen in front of vowel: Lotnolasealáhusas - still OPEN
- 548 - mid syllable hyphenation: Háliidivččen - still OPEN
- 549 - division without hyph: Váccedettiin - still OPEN
smj
Lexicon version: Julevsáme, version 1.1, 2008-12-17
- 547 - hyphen in front of vowel: Jienastimnjuolgadusá and Orgánajs -
still OPEN
- 670 - Hard hyphen replaced with soft hyphen: 10-biejvvásattja (the word is
not rec.; Bug #711) - still OPEN
TODO:
- fix PL hyphenator errors (Tomi)
Installer changes
TODO:
- make a Mac installer for the InDesign Divvun tools (Tomi)
- replace InstallShield with an open-source alternative (Tomi)
User documentation
TODO:
- InDesign documentation (Sjur)
- Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji
1.1 Release
To be added to the release e-mail:
“The 1.1 release also includes beta 6 of our Hunspell/OpenOffice spellers for
North and Julev Sámi. They do contain known bugs, but they are already quite
useful.”
TODO:
- write a short e-mail about the release, and send it to our release e-mail list
(Jovsset, Thomas)
Other
Sámi week in Tromsø
Sigbjørn Skåden has asked the UiT gang to demonstrate etc at the Tromsø city
Library as a part of that week and the happenings at the Library. The week
around February 6th (February 2-8). Sounds like a good idea, we will be there.
- ped tools
- Sámi dictionaries
- Sámi proofing tools
- other things?
- European Charter for regional languages will have a meeting, Jovvset and Trond
are going there
Launch ped + dict
- interviews with media
- library - demos
- talk at univ, wednesday (Trond)
Text to speech
Antti has hinted at the possibility of doing beta versions of other
languages as well. We are thus now recording Greenlandic sentences. A further
possibility would be smj, sma, this would require phon-smX.xfst files for
these languages as well (a couple of days’ work for smj, more for sma), plus
recording.
Corpus contracts + open source
Postponed until the svn repository is fully functional (it is too open now).
Next meeting, closing
The next meeting is 19.1.2009, 9.30 Norwegian time.
David possibly away next Monday.
The meeting was closed at 11:38.
Appendix - task lists for the next five days
Boerre
- map oahpa.uit.no to gtsvn.uit.no/oahpa/
- work on and debug compounds in Hunspell
- leaflet: add Linux info
- Make a divvun-tools download log
gt/Makefile
remake
- fine tune suggestions
- improve OOo instructions
- fix bugs!
Ciprian
- close the open SVN repository at requested paths
- improve processing of new corpus documents
- make the pipeline of StarDict dictionary generation running on the Mac
- update the Makefile for generating dictionaries (related to the dictionary
infrastructure task)
- take care of the error logging during conversion process
- look at the xml conversion quality
- make a list of (general and special) problems related with
converting docs into xml-forat and adding them to the corpora
- continue the search and testing of an appropriate tool for
lexicon working (no xml-file editing via text editors!)
- build the intelligent sma:nob dict in mac-format
- build the sami-week-version of sme:nob in all formats
- infrastructure remake - news discussion
- fix bugs!
David
- continue gathering
sma
corpus texts
- prepare a workshop on South Sámi orthography and grammar (David)
- prepare data for each topic (with Sjur and Trond)
- call Ristin Persson for permission to use Sámi Radio texts
- stay in touch with UmU about c-thesises in south sami
- Call Fylkesmannen i Nordland
- Translate light version contract to swedish
- Contact Lena Kappfjell and Lajla Mattsson Magga about seminar
- find a conference location for our
sma
seminar in Trondheim
Jovsset
- write a short e-mail about the release, and send it to our release e-mail list
- get the list of verbs from the auhtors ofVerbh.
- Find a suitable infrastructure for the distribution of the CD version.
Possible through the library bus, the language centres and common
sami centres in all of Sápmi.
- write formal letter to translator of Gåessie dah jeatjebh åerieminie
- leaflet: review the Windows pictures, and usage instructions for MS Office.
Review especially the select sami language part.
- Write installation instructions for word 2003
- better Windows usage descriptions, with emphasis on the pitfalls
- work with missing lists
Per-Eric
- transfer the
smj
texts by Kurt Tore and Ulf Stefan Winka to our
corpus repository
- follow-up contract from Lena Davidsson
- fix bugs!
Saara
- map oahpa.uit.no to gtsvn.uit.no/oahpa/
- add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
- Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
(source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
Sjur
- name db/risten.no
- follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
- InDesign documentation
- continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Ciprian, Trond)
- Contact Davvi Girji about cooperation on electronic dictionaries
- subcontractor work for
sma
proofing tools, MS and Adobe versions
- support and maintenance contract for
sme
and smj
, MS+Adobe tools
- Sámi languages as part of Norsk språkbank
- contact MS Nordic, and ask them to include the Divvun tools in the next Office
releases
- prepare data for each topic at
sma
workshop (with David and Trond)
- leaflet: add link to OOo installation and usage instructions
- leaflet: add InDesign text
- fix bugs!
Thomas
- check for documents with many red underlines in Nordsalten Avis, and use those
as gold standard documents for
smj
- work on and debug compounds in Hunspell
- look at test cases still not behaving properly
- make a Mac installer for the InDesign Divvun tools
- replace InstallShield with an open-source alternative
- fix bugs!
Tomi
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- fix double hyphen bugs
- fix PL hyphenator bugs
- fix PL and Hunspell conversion bugs
- infrastructure remake
- document the error type selection feature in ccat
- make a Mac installer for the InDesign Divvun tools
- replace InstallShield with an open-source alternative
- fix bugs!
Trond
- Implement new version of giellatekno front page without ToC (with Børre)
- prepare data for each topic at
sma
workshop (with David and Sjur)
- dictionary discussion on estethics, layout (with Ciprian)
- Register oahpa.no
- fix bugs!.