Meeting setup

Date: 30.6.2008
Time: 09.30 Norw. time
Place: Internet
Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat

Agenda

Cf. one of the following, depending on context:

the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF

Opening, agenda review, participants

Opened at 11:50.

Present: Børre, Jovsset, Sjur, Trond

Absent: Per-Eric, Thomas, Tomi

Agenda accepted as is.

Updated task status since last meeting

Børre

update svn user documentation as needed
try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
define and document testing routines
fix the remaining hunspell conversion bugs
send new svn e-mail 23.6 as a reminder
change license on hunspell distros to GPL2+
fix bugs!

Jovsset

follow up on sma corpus texts
translate leaflet text
Talk to John Marcus Kuhmunen about layout, pictures for the leaflet.
Talk to John Marcus Kuhmunen printing
Presentation on sami publisher meeting
distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common sami centres in all of Sápmi

Lene

get the ped content ready
Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur

Per-Eric

follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore (Per-Eric)
follow-up contracts from Nord-Salten avis and Lena Davidsson
Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
Plan a smj pr tour for our tools
fix bugs!

Saara

add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
implement the ped UI and functionality

Sjur

update svn user documentation as needed
follow up on sma corpus texts
name db/risten.no
update the Changes document
follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
InDesign documentation
make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
define and document testing routines
write leaflet text
fix bugs!

Thomas

On vacation

Tomi

On vacation

Trond

Set up Jabber for Lene
make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
define and document testing routines
Dictionaries
update svn user documentation as needed
prepare external users: Meänkieli and Greenlandic groups, Jack Ruether
fix bugs!.

Pedagogical software online

Meeting memos can be found at [http://giellatekno.uit.no/ped/index.html#Meeting+memos]

TODO:

get the content ready (Lene, Biret, Trond)
implement the UI and functionality (Saara)
get an easy-to-remember URL (UiT/IT)
More thorough skin, layout, … (External person within the Ped team, Internal forrest expert) This we will postponed until later
Make a pedagogical speller (Tomi when finished with his MA thesis)
- Turn off peripheral compounds (numbers, acros, perhaps names)
- Increase editing distance by one for suggestions? Only possible with limited compounding

Documentation

TODO:

start to reorganise the documentation (Børre, Sjur, Trond)

Corpus gathering

TODO:

follow up on sma corpus texts (Sjur, Jovsset)
follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore (Per-Eric)
other contacts: Nord-Salten avis (Børge Strandskog), Lena Davidsson daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
Ulf Stefan Winka has a lot of smj texts (Thomas)
plan a smj pr tour for our tools (Per-Eric, Thomas)
meet with the Sámi publishers; main topics: (Jovsset)
- present the present project (Divvun II)
- discuss inclusion of our contract in theirs (DG and Čálliid Lágádus already positive)
- present the electronic dictionary sme-nob, with “inflectional intelligence”
- also regular contracts, and how to make faster progress with them, especially for the south sami and julev sami publishers since we have few texts in these two varieties.
- prepare meeting with Børre (Jovsset)
make leaflet to inform about the project
- write text (Sjur)
- translate text (Thomas, Jovsset, Maaren)
- talk to John Marcus Kuhmunen about layout, pictures (Jovsset)
- talk to John Marcus Kuhmunen about printing (Jovsset)
distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common sami centres in all of Sápmi. Gaaltije in Östersund for example. (Leif Åge, Jovsset, Sjur)

Future plans, directions and ideas

See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki.

Infrastructure

To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of importance):

test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
migrate to svn
merge gt, kt and st into one, probably after the svn move
more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
close certain parts of the code repository (requires svn)
set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
1. permanent chat rooms
2. stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
3. iCal server / group calendars
4. wiki
wiki? (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
improve Forrest stability and i18n support
reorganise the documentation content:
1. differ between target groups
2. get better grouping
3. decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki (cf. Apertium for a similar split)
4. update/add missing parts
migrate lexicons to XML, splitting the task
1. Name lexica (the Name project)
2. Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
3. Open POSes (Komi as a test case)
change the look of the documentation web
sfst? Both as replacement for xfst and for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
investigate the NSIS installer, potentially replacing the InstallShield package from Polderland
corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories?

SVN issues:

root/prooftools not available - fixed (somehow)
http access not yet available
read access to the whole repo is working, BUT:
- gt/smX/polderland should be protected
everything will be google-able by default if the repo URL is posted
plan should be protected?

TODO:

make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
define and document testing routines (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
add Jabber account in iChat for Lene (Trond)
follow-up migration to svn (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
- update user documentation as needed (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
- rewrite bashrc aliases geared towards cvs, if needed (Trond)
- prepare and discuss with external users: Meänkieli group, Greenlandic group, Jack Ruether (Trond)
try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server (Børre)
- update the OS at the same time

Linguistics

North Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

Lule Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

TODO:

sme->smj lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and increase smj coverage (Trond, Svenne).
Add the words when all words are ready.

South Sámi

Jovsset will ask the authors whether we can get a copy of the Verbh manuscript in electronic version, with the usual corpus contract.

Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure

TODO:

fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale request) (Sjur)
fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: (Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g. propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files (Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
implement data synchronisation between risten.no and the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
start to use the xml file as source file
clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use (e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, Maaren, linguists)
merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki, Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils (linguists)

Dictionaries

TODO:

clean up and generalise the make infrastructure
make Linux and Windows local/integrated versions
make simple installer applications
make a public release
- Make a homepage with instructions for dictionary use: xtdoc/gtuit/src/documentation/content/xdocs/dict.eng.xml
- Clarify the difference between local and online dictionaries:
  - Plugin for Firefox and Internet Explorer (online dictionaries)

Proofing tools

Hunspell

TODO:

change license on distros to GPL2+ (Børre)
QA README and installation docs (Trond)
fix the remaining conversion bugs (Børre, Tomi)

Testing

Spelling Error Markup

TODO:

Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not) (Saara)
test new and nested error markup (Sjur)

Speller bugs

List of bugs returned from Polderland: 621, 630, 652, 656, 676.

Open issues based on test results:

sme

Version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-06-02

426 - comp words from Divvun.no - guoktedássásaš accepted - still OPEN
435 - roman numbers - inflection of single letter numbers rejected, as well as some complex numbers (but is ok in smj) - still OPEN
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still OPEN
600 - gen+hyph compound sámi-dáru - still OPEN
603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
606 - speller accepts VUOHTA compound - still OPEN
611 - double hyphen sugg still accepted - still OPEN
613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted - FIXED
629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
633 - REGRESSION: double hyphens accepted
634 - PropGen+hyph+PropGen - still OPEN
641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still OPEN
644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
646 - adverb + hyphen + noun - still OPEN
647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
654 - speller does not recognize ordinals on -nuppelogát - still OPEN
655 - pron + nai - still OPEN
658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN - won’t fix
666 - guovtte- and njealje- - FIXED
676 - triple-hyphen - FIXED, but double hyphen is still accepted
other regressions:
- skuvlajagin now accepted
- skierranis now accepted

smj

Version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-06-02

435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
- please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in smj, as opposed to sme
595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (tsåhkeLot instead of tsåhke-Lot) - still OPEN
599 - REGRESSION: numeral attr:s on lot
600 - gen+hyph compound sáme-dáro - still OPEN
616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - still OPEN, try to find an acro or abbr me
619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
629 - a taking part in compound - still OPEN
634 - rop gen + hyphen + Prop gen - still OPEN
641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still OPEN
658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN, won’t fix
692 - NEW: - numeral-variants
other regressions:
- gus NOT accepted anymore

TODO:

compile new speller lexicons (Tomi)
document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)

Hyphenator bugs

Open issues based on test results :

sme

Lexicon version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

468 - REGRESSION:Márkomeanu
547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Lotnolasealáhusas
548 - REGRESSION: mid syllable hyphenation: Háliidivččen
549 - REGRESSION: division without hyph: Váccedettiin
673 - adj-derivations: guovttenuppelotčoarvvagiin (the word is not rec.)
677 - NEW: Wrongly hyphenated ending -danidja - invalid

smj

Lexicon version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

545 - REGRESSION: bad hyphenation in compounds: åhpadusorganisásjåvnån (not recognised)
546 - REGRESSION: obligatory hyph rules seem to work in facultative manner: organisásjåvnån (not recognised)
547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Jienastimnjuolgadusá and Orgánajs

TODO:

fix hyphenator errors (Tomi)

InDesign tools

Nothing new.

Releases

TODO:

update the Changes document (Sjur)
InDesign documentation (Sjur)
- Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji

Other

Corpus contracts + open source

Now decided to wait until we have changed from cvs to svn.

Summer vacations

Who	When
Børre	30/6-6/7, 21/7-3/8, 11/8-17/8
Jovsset	7-11/7, 21/7-8/8
Per-Eric	11/6 - 30/6
Sjur	7/7 - 1/8
Tomi	16/6 - 4/8
Thomas	23/6 - 18/7
Trond	30/6 - 18/7, 28/7 - 1/8

Next meeting, closing

The next meeting is 11.8.2008, 9.30 Norwegian time.

The meeting was closed at 13:18.

Appendix - task lists for the next five days

Boerre

update svn user documentation as needed
try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
define and document testing routines
fix the remaining hunspell conversion bugs
send new svn e-mail 23.6 as a reminder
change license on hunspell distros to GPL2+
fix bugs!

Jovsset

follow up on sma corpus texts
translate leaflet text
Talk to John Marcus Kuhmunen about layout, pictures for the leaflet.
Talk to John Marcus Kuhmunen printing
Presentation on sami publisher meeting
distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common sami centres in all of Sápmi

Lene

get the ped content ready
Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur

Per-Eric

follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore (Per-Eric)
follow-up contracts from Nord-Salten avis and Lena Davidsson
Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
Plan a smj pr tour for our tools
fix bugs!

Saara

add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
implement the ped UI and functionality

Sjur

update svn user documentation as needed
follow up on sma corpus texts
name db/risten.no
update the Changes document
follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
InDesign documentation
make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
define and document testing routines
write leaflet text
fix bugs!

Thomas

On vacation

Tomi

On vacation

Trond

Set up Jabber for Lene
make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
define and document testing routines
Dictionaries
update svn user documentation as needed
prepare external users: Meänkieli and Greenlandic groups, Jack Ruether
fix bugs!.