Meeting setup
- Date: 9.11.2009
- Time: 09.30 Norw. time
- Place: Internet
- Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat
Agenda
Cf. one of the following, depending on context:
- the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
- the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF
Opening, agenda review, participants
Opened at 10:25.
Present:
Børre, Ciprian, Maja, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi, Trond
Absent: none
Agenda accepted as is.
Updated task status since last meeting
Børre
- set up Maja’s old computer with Boot Camp or some virtualization software
- order scanners (one book and one flatbed with sheet feeder)
- implement language switch for static divvun site
- upgrade the XServe to Snow Leopard Server
- improve XSL script to transform leaflet Forrest XDocs to an OOo Draw document
gt/Makefile
remake
- get translations of thank-you letter
- I have the South Sami one
- fix bugs!
- other:
- Trying to get bugzilla on it’s feet on the XServe, but haven’t succeded
Ciprian
- MT - Autshumato:
- test Autshumato Alpha version on Windows using Launcher
- make Autshumato run on Mac
- eXist:
- make eXist running with the SLT-DB
- infrastructure
- make a schema/dtd description of the lexC-file (experiment with
Komi and Romanian)
- transform sme-lexC files into XML format
- GT web:
- coloring output of the disambiguation
- add a tree visualizer for the dependency trees
- Bodø Oahpa:
- generalize for semantic classes and pos
- implement a login mechanism
- implement a upload data mechanism
- setup the Bodø version on victorio
- Sandbox Oahpa:
- finish the db installation for sb_oahpa
- implement and test the Finnish lemmata (and if it works transfer it to the official OAHPA implementation)
- Running Oahpa:
- add an Oahpa clock and date excercise (cf. Numra)
- Generate fin/xml/{nouns|verbs|adjectives}.xml, and implement the new Leksa
dropdown menu (but first run the sb_oahpa test)
- Lovozero Oahpa:
- reinstall MySQL, python, and on Lene and/or Trond machine
- done, moreover, installed the Lovozero Oahpa on victorio
- KomEngFin:
- split by pos and transform the actual format into gt_dict format
- compile only one version of dictionary and use css for user preferences
- generate the first StarDict version of komeng and komfin dictionary
- test the automatic sorting by Komi alphabet in xsl (as discussed
with Trond)
- SmeNob:
- the StarDict on Windows: try the HTML-plugin
- try to reduce the dict-size on mac: experiment with xPointer, etc.
- incorporate the passives into the last version of the sme:nob
- SmaNobSwe:
- extend the smanobswe dictionary
- check all bug in the sma:nob-swe dictionary
- fix the bug with the string length in the popup window (sma:nob)
- SmjNob:
- start working at a Lule-Sami based on Bruce Moren’s data
- SjdRus:
- continue the work at the Kildin-Russian dictionary, next internal deadline is
the lexicography workshop in November 2009 in Tromsø
- Corpus:
- check the processing of new corpus documents (error logging during
conversion, conversion quality, documentation, etc.)
- Lexicon workshop
- prepare teaching materials
- check the data sent by the course members
Maja
- work meeting on loan words and proper nouns
- Prepare text´s about normativity issue to SGL/SGM
- not done, need some response to the text I have written - text about numerals
are ok, but the the text about loanwords is not ok yet. Meetinng about this?
- more work on
sma
adjectives
- Work on missinglist
- contact Turi Aleksandersen about book signature follow-up from Joseph
- she called me on wednesday and said that she hasn’t found the contract yet,
she will look after it again, then call me. I can call her again :-| Call joseph again.
- contact authors of
sma
aticles in 9-10 eds. of the yearbook
Åarjel-saemieh
- ongoing, need to write the letters
- Scan some books:
- We have lots of books which should be scanned
Sjur
- difftest for fst and PL speller
- fix the
sma
installer build issues
- @Barents: plan a meeting/seminar with potential cooperation partners
- @Barents: plan for The Real Thing
- @TTS: start public tender process
- make Leif Åge send out CD’s to distribution points
- start Nordplus Sprog project
- send eXist log files to Ciprian
- Write a formal letter to Davvi girji about electronic dictionaries
- make XSL script to transform leaflet Forrest XDocs to an OOo Drawer document
- continue to write a proofing API & implementation specification
- name db/risten.no
- follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
- support and maintenance contract for
sme
and smj
, MS+Adobe tools
- Sámi languages as part of Norsk språkbank
- find and contact the correct person in SD, to get the manuscript for all Sámi
teaching material now being given out to the schools
- fix bugs!
- other things:
- a lot of testing, debugging and error reporting for the HFST tools - they are
improving all the time
- meeting for planning the lexicon seminar next week
Thomas
- work meeting on loan words and proper nouns
- prepare text´s about normativity issue to SGL/SGM
sma
adjectives
- Digitalize south saami books
- fix bugs!
- worked a lot with south saami
Tomi
- Compile a new version of spellers
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- fix double hyphen bugs
- fix PL
smj
hyphenator bug
- fix PL conversion bugs
- fix bugs!
Trond
- work meeting on loan words and proper nouns
- Mikogo for Lene and Linda
- clock and date for Numra
- Kildin Sámi Keyboard for Windows
- fix bugs!.
Oahpa!
Meeting memos can be found at
[http://giellatekno.uit.no/ped/index.html#Meeting+memos]
TODO
- Register oahpa.no (Trond)
- Generate fin/xml/{nouns|verbs|adjectives}.xml, and implement the new Leksa
dropdown menu (Ciprian).
- clock and date for Numra (Trond, Ciprian).
Corpus gathering
Risten has big problems finding the contract Jovsset left for her this
summerMaja will continue to push for the contract - there are too many
signatures there already to let it go. We need to find it.
Thomas has collected a multilingual text from the government. The text is
written in sme, smj, sma, eng, nno
and nob
.
TODO:
- Which books are digitized?
- These books should be OCR’ed/digitized: Anna Jacobsens books
Don jih dan bïjre I-III, Jupmele rïjhke lea gietskesne,
Luste lohkedh, Duedtie Novrlaantesne, Naestie-tjoevkesne,
Gullie-tjååtsele.
- Its not digitized yet, should do it this week.
A. Jacobsen: Goltelidh jih soptestidh and Mojhtesh are already
in electronic form
- use the corpus gathering document to keep track of each book
- continue gathering
sma
corpus texts (Maja)
- get
sma
articles in Š-bláđđi
- the Gun Utsi book is almost there - one contract missing (Maja)
- write formal letter to Davvi Girji (Sjur)
- send a copy of the signed contracts back to the authors, translators and
publishers, accompanied by the thank-you letter
- find and contact the correct person in SD, to get the manuscript for all Sámi
teaching material now being given out to the schools (Sjur)
- get the
sma
yearbooks from Saemien sïjhte (Maja)
TODO:
- make leaflet to inform about the project (Børre)
- add InDesign text (Sjur)
- make XSL script to transform Forrest XDocs to an OOo Drawer document
(Børre, Sjur)
- distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common
sami centres in all of Sápmi. Gaaltije in Östersund for example.
(Leif Åge, Sjur)
- make him send out CD’s accordingly (Sjur)
- update online download log statistics page (Børre)
Future plans, directions and ideas
See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki
.
Northern areas project
TODO:
- Attend a beginners’ course in Russian (priority: the alphabet!) near you..
- plan a meeting/seminar with potential cooperation partners (Trond, Sjur)
- plan for The Real Thing (Trond, Sjur)
Infrastructure
To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of
importance):
- test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
- test bench enhanced, but not yet complet
- set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
- permanent chat rooms
- stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
- iCal server / group calendars
- wiki
- wiki? on G5 (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
- improve Forrest stability and i18n support ( the divvun crashes)
- Sjur has been working on better i18n and pdf rendering
- Børre has some ideas for getting back to serving static html files
- reorganise the documentation:
- differ between target groups
- get better grouping
- decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki
(cf. Apertium and
[http://xixona.dlsi.ua.es/apertium/]) for a similar split)
- update/add missing parts
- migrate lexc lexicons to XML, splitting the task
- Name lexica (the Name project)
- Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
- At least migrate the lexc open POSes (Komi as a pilot case)
- change the look of the documentation web
- use HFST as alternative to XFST
- this is now a real option (HFST2 is released), reqiures Makefile enhancements
- corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories? Norsk språkbank?
- update infrastructure to allow content-restricted spellers for special target
groups
TODO:
- install the HFST tools (Børre, Tomi)
- usage:
make hfst TARGET=xxx
, or use hwfst
if you want a weighted one
- fao:
make hfst
- upgrade the XServe to Snow Leopard Server (Børre)
- ask Lene, Linda to install Mikogo (Trond)
- restructure and clean the script catalogue, using subdirs to categorise the
scripts (Ciprian)
- see posting in the news group
- infrastructure remake: (Børre, Ciprian, Saara, Sjur, Tomi, Trond)
- more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
- merge gt, kt and st into one
- modularised preprocess and spellrelax
- alternatives to make:
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- define and document testing routines (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
Linguistics
North Sámi
(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)
Lule Sámi
(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)
South Sámi
Maja really need some feedback on the SGM texts. A meeting this week?
TODO:
- Prepare text´s about normativity issue to SGL/SGM (Maja, Thomas)
- meeting Tuesday 9:30 (Maja, Sjur, Thomas)
- adjectives (Maja with Thomas, Trond, Sjur)
- two competing naming conventions of continuation lexicons
- One naming goes ATTRSUFF-PREDSUFF-STEMTYPE
- One follows the sme convention of naming key adjectives
- There are duplicate lexica
- The comparative issue open here and there
- The ATTRSUFF-PREDSUFF-STEMTYPE lexica now go to EVENCOMP and
ODDCOMP only.
- work meeting on loan words and proper nouns, this week - tomorrow?
(Maja, Ove (?), Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure
Tomi has played with couchdb as a replacement
for eXist in risten.no and general dictionary-related work. Seems much lighter
and easier to work with.
Instead of building our own webforms and back-end update scripts, use XForms
with a premade connection to our xml db. Orbeon XForms is such a tool (open
source).
From the meeting with the terminology and IT teams last week:
- no major rework on the present search interface now
- no work on the editing section; instead:
- add existing lists of sanctioned terminology as separate term entities
- add a dictionary if we can make one with sufficient quality
This means the following tasks:
- find already approved lists, in paper or electronic form (term team)
- convert paper lists to electronic lists (term team)
- convert lists to standard XML (Sjur, Tomi)
- add prepared lists to risten.no (Sjur, Tomi)
TODO:
- send eXist log files to Ciprian (Sjur)
- fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale
request) (Sjur)
- fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
- finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
- test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: (Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
- make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add
nob
as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g.
propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
- convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files
(Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
- implement data synchronisation between risten.no and
the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server
to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the
official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
- start to use the xml file as source file
- clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use
(e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, linguists)
- merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki,
Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
- publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
- add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
- add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils
(linguists)
Dictionaries
TODO:
- set up risten.no on eXist/XServe (as a beta version site) (Sjur)
- set up required infra for smenob on risten.no/XServe (Sjur)
- Continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- end user documentation (how to download and install) (Ciprian, Trond)
- Contact Davvi Girji about cooperation on electronic dictionaries
(Sjur)
- developing the mobile phone version of smenob:
- Komi
- take out the doublets to a separate file (Ciprian)
- merge the doublets (Jaska, Trond)
- start looking at the komfin and komeng MacDicts (Ciprian)
- Completing the automaton to some state (Trond, Jaska, Paula)
South Sámi second alpha
Maja:
- looks good:)
- some words are written correct, but the speller rejects them
Trond:
- a frequent bug was nubpie because of a wrong tag
- speller - analyser diff
Thomas:
- the phonetic rules seem to work now
Tomi:
- baseform test is checking whether the baseforms are recognised by the speller
TODO:
- Go through the phonrules file (Thomas)
- Pick a text for proofreading (Thomas)
- Proofread a text with tre eror$error notation (Maja)
- difftest for fst and PL speller (Sjur)
- Compile a new version by Friday (Tomi)
cd $GTHOME/prooftools/; sudo make mac-dmg
- Look for external beta testers?
- David and Jovsset will get the speller, for other people
we must wait.
- fix the installer build issues (Sjur)
- correct easter egg to say “South Sámi”, not “North Sámi” (Sjur)
- fix sma installer bugs (Sjur)
TODO:
- continue to write an API specification, and an implementation specification
(Sjur)
Testing
Spelling Error Markup
TODO:
- test new and nested error markup (Sjur)
- nesting still needs to be tested, depends on new
ccat
feature
Speller testing
TODO:
- test the error type selection feature in ccat (Sjur)
Testing open-source Norwegian spellers
Sjur has invited the open-source group to test their spell-checker using our
test bench. The response has been positive, we’ll see what happens.
We should go to their developer meetings, and present our work and how to work
with language technology.
Speller bugs
List of bugs returned from Polderland:
Tag reordering for abbreviations have caused a lot of problems:
smj:
hr.
hr. hr+ABBR+Acc
cand.philol.
cand.philol. cand.philol+ABBR+N+Acc
Per
Per Per+N+Prop+Mal+Sg+Attr
sme:
hr.
hr. hr+N+ABBR+Acc
Per
Per Per+N+Prop+Mal+Sg+Attr
Open issues based on test results:
sme
Version: Davvisámi, version 1.2, 2009-09-18
- 399 - missing numerals (plural forms) - still OPEN
- 425 - X not recognised; single letters were left out - still OPEN
- 435 - roman numbers - inflection of single letter numbers
rejected, as well as some complex numbers (but is ok in
smj
) - still
OPEN
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
separate lexicon file
- 461 - REGRESSION: missing suggestion (sáhkki)
- 508 - REGRESSION: accepts smj entries (most likely abbreviation missing)
- 520 - REGRESSION: r9 and š9 not defined (abbr. missing)
- 595 - prefix+name without hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still
OPEN
- 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
- 606 - compound-tags LEXICON VUOHTA - still OPEN
- 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
- 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - vihttasoarttat
remaining - still OPEN
- 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
- only open case has word A-finálaid compounded
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN, open case has uppercase letters
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 661 - REGRESSION: abbr. not recognized
- 709 - sámedikkeválga accepted - OPEN
- 728 - vowel shortening GenCmp+Left-tagged - still OPEN
- 779 - caseforms of pronoun okatahat - still OPEN
- 785 - does not recognize alphabet-abbr+noun - OPEN
- 802 - NEW: multiword propernouns
- 803 - NEW: FINJU- words accepted single-handed
- 804 - NEW: guovttilogát, njealjilogát
- 805 - NEW: Nouns+acronyms
smj
Version: Julevsáme, version 1.2, 2009-09-20
- 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
- we should pre-generate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
separate lexicon file
- please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in
smj
, as opposed to sme
- 482 - polardutkamin not recognized - FIXED
- 496 - REGRESSION: unrecognised clitics
- 556 - non-existent word accepted - FIXED
- 594 - lågenanguoktáj not recognized - still OPEN
- 595 - REGRESSION: prefix+name as split comp without hyphen
- 596 - C-giellan is not accepted - still OPEN
- 600 - Gen+hyph compound - FIXED
- 627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted - FIXED
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN, open case has uppercase letters
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 650 - REGRESSION: noun prefix+name compound without hyphen
- 652 - UPPERCASE-typos only get acronym-suggestions - still OPEN
- 692 - numeral-variants - all but one fixed (gáktsalågenantjuotakta), but
still OPEN
- 744 - REGRESSION: numerals + clitic
- 803 - NEW: VINJU- words accepted single-handed
- 805 - NEW: Nouns+acronyms
TODO:
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)
Hyphenator bugs
Open issues based on test results :
sme
Lexicon version: Davvisámi, version 1.2, 2009-09-18
No known issues!
smj
Lexicon version: Julevsáme, version 1.2, 2009-09-20
- 670 - Hard hyphen replaced with soft hyphen: 10-biejvvásattja (the word is
not rec.; Bug #711) - still OPEN
sma
Command to test the hyphenator:
preprocess dev/corp/pressemelding.txt | lookup bin/hyph-sma.fst | cut -f2 | \
lookup bin/hyphrules-sma.fst | grep -v '^$' | cut -f2 | uniq | see
TODO:
- fix PL hyphenator errors (Tomi)
- almost done - one
smj
bug left
Installer changes
TODO:
- test InDesign installer (Sjur)
User documentation
TODO:
- InDesign documentation (Sjur)
- Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji
1.2 release
Content:
- several smj bug fixes
- lexicalisations
- InDesign Mac & Win
- new OOo beta
- improved installers, at least for Mac, preferably also for Windows
Other
Autumn planning
- speller test project -> Sjur, Børre, Thomas, X
- speech synthesis -> Sjur, Trond, BA as a starter
- dictionaries: smanob, komfineng, fkvnob -> Ciprian, Sjur, Trond
- risten.no -> Ciprian, Sjur, Tomi
- Barents project follow-up meeting
- sme and smj proofing tools, next version -> Thomas, Tomi, Sjur
- HFST-based proofing tools -> Sjur
Text to speech
TODO:
- refine syntax / dependency rules (Biret Ánne)
- start public tender process (Sjur)
- find appropriate voices (Biret Ánne)
MT and CAT
TODO:
- make A-ITE compile and run on Windows (Ciprian)
Open source
The repository is properly closed/open now, and the availability of the source
code should be announced.
TODO:
- announce the availability of our repository on relevant linguistic lists
(Sjur)
Windows testing machine
It has been used as a backup Mac computer last week.
TODO:
- set up Maja’s old computer with Boot Camp or some virtualization software
(Børre)
Next meeting, closing
The next meeting is 16.11.2009, 9.30 Norwegian time.
The meeting was closed at 11:00.
Appendix - task lists for the next week
Boerre
- install the HFST tools
- set up Maja’s old computer with Boot Camp or some virtualization software
- order scanners (one book and one flatbed with sheet feeder)
- implement language switch for static divvun site
- upgrade the XServe to Snow Leopard Server
- improve XSL script to transform leaflet Forrest XDocs to an OOo Draw document
gt/Makefile
remake
- get translations of thank-you letter
- fix bugs!
Ciprian
- MT - Autshumato:
- test Autshumato Alpha version on Windows using Launcher
- make Autshumato run on Mac
- eXist:
- make eXist running with the SLT-DB
- infrastructure
- make a schema/dtd description of the lexC-file (experiment with
Komi and Romanian)
- transform sme-lexC files into XML format
- GT web:
- coloring output of the disambiguation
- add a tree visualizer for the dependency trees
- Bodø Oahpa:
- generalize for semantic classes and pos
- implement a login mechanism
- implement a upload data mechanism
- setup the Bodø version on victorio
- Sandbox Oahpa:
- finish the db installation for sb_oahpa
- implement and test the Finnish lemmata (and if it works transfer it to the official OAHPA implementation)
- Running Oahpa:
- add an Oahpa clock and date excercise (cf. Numra)
- Generate fin/xml/{nouns|verbs|adjectives}.xml, and implement the new Leksa
dropdown menu (but first run the sb_oahpa test)
- KomEngFin:
- split by pos and transform the actual format into gt_dict format
- compile only one version of dictionary and use css for user preferences
- generate the first StarDict version of komeng and komfin dictionary
- test the automatic sorting by Komi alphabet in xsl (as discussed
with Trond)
- SmeNob:
- the StarDict on Windows: try the HTML-plugin
- try to reduce the dict-size on mac: experiment with xPointer, etc.
- incorporate the passives into the last version of the sme:nob
- SmaNobSwe:
- extend the smanobswe dictionary
- check all bug in the sma:nob-swe dictionary
- fix the bug with the string length in the popup window (sma:nob)
- SmjNob:
- start working at a Lule-Sami based on Bruce Moren’s data
- SjdRus:
- continue the work at the Kildin-Russian dictionary, next internal deadline is
the lexicography workshop in November 2009 in Tromsø
- Corpus:
- check the processing of new corpus documents (error logging during
conversion, conversion quality, documentation, etc.)
- Lexicon workshop
- finish the preparation of the teaching materials
- prepare the talk for the workshop
Maja
- SGM letter meeting Tuesday 9:30 with Sjur, Thomas
- work meeting on loan words and proper nouns
- Prepare text´s about normativity issue to SGL/SGM
- more work on
sma
adjectives
- contact Turi Aleksandersen about book signature follow-up from Joseph
- contact authors of
sma
aticles in 9-10 eds. of the yearbook
Åarjel-saemieh
Sjur
- SGM letter meeting Tuesday 9:30 with Maja, Thomas
- difftest for fst and PL speller
- fix the
sma
installer build issues
- @Barents: plan a meeting/seminar with potential cooperation partners
- @Barents: plan for The Real Thing
- @TTS: start public tender process
- make Leif Åge send out CD’s to distribution points
- start Nordplus Sprog project
- send eXist log files to Ciprian
- Write a formal letter to Davvi girji about electronic dictionaries
- make XSL script to transform leaflet Forrest XDocs to an OOo Drawer document
- continue to write a proofing API & implementation specification
- name db/risten.no
- follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
- support and maintenance contract for
sme
and smj
, MS+Adobe tools
- Sámi languages as part of Norsk språkbank
- find and contact the correct person in SD, to get the manuscript for all Sámi
teaching material now being given out to the schools
- fix bugs!
Thomas
- SGM letter meeting Tuesday 9:30 with Maja, Sjur
- work meeting on loan words and proper nouns
- prepare text´s about normativity issue to SGL/SGM
sma
adjectives
- Digitalize south saami books
- fix bugs!
Tomi
- install the HFST tools
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- fix double hyphen bugs
- fix PL
smj
hyphenator bug
- fix PL and Hunspell conversion bugs
- fix bugs!
Trond
- work meeting on loan words and proper nouns
- Mikogo for Lene and Linda
- clock and date for Numra
- Kildin Sámi Keyboard for Windows
- fix bugs!.