Meeting setup

• Date: 16.11.2009
• Time: 09.30 Norw. time
• Place: Internet
• Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat

Agenda

Cf. one of the following, depending on context:

• the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
• the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF

Opening, agenda review, participants

Opened at 10:08.

Present: Børre, Ciprian, Maja, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi, Trond

Absent: none

Agenda accepted as is.

Updated task status since last meeting

Børre

• install the HFST tools
• set up Maja’s old computer with Boot Camp or some virtualization software
• order scanners (one book and one flatbed with sheet feeder)
• implement language switch for static divvun site
• upgrade the XServe to Snow Leopard Server
• improve XSL script to transform leaflet Forrest XDocs to an OOo Draw document
• gt/Makefile remake
• get translations of thank-you letter
• fix bugs!

Ciprian

• MT - Autshumato:
  • test Autshumato Alpha version on Windows using Launcher
  • make Autshumato run on Mac
    • todo
• eXist:
  • make eXist running with the SLT-DB
    • todo
• infrastructure
  • make a schema/dtd description of the lexC-file (experiment with Komi and Romanian)
  • transform sme-lexC files into XML format
    • todo
• GT web:
  • coloring output of the disambiguation
  • add a tree visualizer for the dependency trees
    • todo
• Bodø Oahpa:
  • generalize for semantic classes and pos
  • implement a login mechanism
  • implement a upload data mechanism
  • setup the Bodø version on victorio
    • todo
• Sandbox Oahpa:
  • finish the db installation for sb_oahpa
  • implement and test the Finnish lemmata (and if it works transfer it to the official OAHPA implementation)
    • todo
• Running Oahpa:
  • add an Oahpa clock and date excercise (cf. Numra)
  • Generate fin/xml/{nouns|verbs|adjectives}.xml, and implement the new Leksa dropdown menu (but first run the sb_oahpa test)
    • todo
• KomEngFin:
  • split by pos and transform the actual format into gt_dict format
  • compile only one version of dictionary and use css for user preferences
  • generate the first StarDict version of komeng and komfin dictionary
  • test the automatic sorting by Komi alphabet in xsl (as discussed with Trond)
    • todo
• SmeNob:
  • the StarDict on Windows: try the HTML-plugin
  • try to reduce the dict-size on mac: experiment with xPointer, etc.
  • incorporate the passives into the last version of the sme:nob
    • todo
• SmaNobSwe:
  • extend the smanobswe dictionary
  • check all bug in the sma:nob-swe dictionary
  • fix the bug with the string length in the popup window (sma:nob)
    • todo
• SmjNob:
  • start working at a Lule-Sami based on Bruce Moren’s data
    • done
• SjdRus:
  • continue the work at the Kildin-Russian dictionary, next internal deadline is the lexicography workshop in November 2009 in Tromsø
    • ongoing
• Corpus:
  • check the processing of new corpus documents (error logging during conversion, conversion quality, documentation, etc.)
    • todo
• Lexicon workshop
  • finish the preparation of the teaching materials
  • prepare the talk for the workshop
    • ongoing

Maja

• SGM letter meeting Tuesday 9:30 with Sjur, Thomas
• work meeting on loan words and proper nouns
• Prepare text´s about normativity issue to SGL/SGM
  • done
• more work on sma adjectives
  • done
• contact Turi Aleksandersen about book signature follow-up from Joseph
  • Will do
• contact authors of sma aticles in 9-10 eds. of the yearbook Åarjel-saemieh
  • Not done yet

Sjur

• SGM letter meeting Tuesday 9:30 with Maja, Thomas
  • Sorry, that meeting slipped off. Retry this week.
• difftest for fst and PL speller
• fix the sma installer build issues
• @Barents: plan a meeting/seminar with potential cooperation partners
• @Barents: plan for The Real Thing
• @TTS: start public tender process
• make Leif Åge send out CD’s to distribution points
• start Nordplus Sprog project
• send eXist log files to Ciprian
• Write a formal letter to Davvi girji about electronic dictionaries
• make XSL script to transform leaflet Forrest XDocs to an OOo Drawer document
• continue to write a proofing API & implementation specification
  • Voikko is coming up as a candidate for the first version of our HFST-based prooing tools. Application API is already done, including grammar checking, and it has a quite good abstraction of different layers as it is. There is still some work to do, but the first running demo of a Finnish speller made of HFST and Voikko is already done.
• name db/risten.no
• follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
• support and maintenance contract for sme and smj, MS+Adobe tools
• Sámi languages as part of Norsk språkbank
• find and contact the correct person in SD, to get the manuscript for all Sámi teaching material now being given out to the schools
• fix bugs!
• other things:
  • still more HFST debugging and bug reporting

Thomas

• SGM letter meeting Tuesday 9:30 with Maja, Sjur
  • not done
• work meeting on loan words and proper nouns
  • not done
• prepare text´s about normativity issue to SGL/SGM
  • not much done this week
• sma adjectives
  • not much done this week
• Digitalize south saami books
  • worked
• fix bugs!
  • some work done

Tomi

• install the HFST tools
  • done
• document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
  • not done
• fix double hyphen bugs
  • not done
• fix PL smj hyphenator bug
  • not done
• fix PL and Hunspell conversion bugs
  • done some
• fix bugs!
• other
  • compiled & tested new spellers

Trond

• work meeting on loan words and proper nouns
• Mikogo for Lene and Linda
• clock and date for Numra
• Kildin Sámi Keyboard for Windows
• fix bugs!.

Oahpa!

Meeting memos can be found at [http://giellatekno.uit.no/ped/index.html#Meeting+memos]

TODO

• Register oahpa.no (Trond)
• Generate fin/xml/{nouns|verbs|adjectives}.xml, and implement the new Leksa dropdown menu (Ciprian).
• clock and date for Numra (Trond, Ciprian).

Corpus gathering

TODO:

• Which books are digitized?
  • These books should be OCR’ed/digitized: Anna Jacobsens books Don jih dan bïjre I-III, Jupmele rïjhke lea gietskesne, Luste lohkedh, Duedtie Novrlaantesne, Naestie-tjoevkesne, Gullie-tjååtsele.
  • Its not digitized yet, should do it this week. A. Jacobsen: Goltelidh jih soptestidh and Mojhtesh are already in electronic form
  • use the corpus gathering document to keep track of each book
• continue gathering sma corpus texts (Maja)
  • get sma articles in Š-bláđđi
  • the Gun Utsi book is almost there - one contract missing (Maja)
• write formal letter to Davvi Girji (Sjur)
• send a copy of the signed contracts back to the authors, translators and publishers, accompanied by the thank-you letter
• find and contact the correct person in SD, to get the manuscript for all Sámi teaching material now being given out to the schools (Sjur)
• get the sma yearbooks from Saemien sïjhte (Maja)

Promoting Divvun

TODO:

• make leaflet to inform about the project (Børre)
  • add InDesign text (Sjur)
  • make XSL script to transform Forrest XDocs to an OOo Drawer document (Børre, Sjur)
• distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common sami centres in all of Sápmi. Gaaltije in Östersund for example. (Leif Åge, Sjur)
  • make him send out CD’s accordingly (Sjur)
• update online download log statistics page (Børre)

Future plans, directions and ideas

See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki.

Northern areas project

TODO:

• Attend a beginners’ course in Russian (priority: the alphabet!) near you..
• plan a meeting/seminar with potential cooperation partners (Trond, Sjur)
• plan for The Real Thing (Trond, Sjur)

Infrastructure

To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of importance):

1. test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
   1. test bench enhanced, but not yet complet
2. set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
   1. permanent chat rooms
   2. stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
   3. iCal server / group calendars
   4. wiki
3. wiki? on G5 (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
4. improve Forrest stability and i18n support ( the divvun crashes)
   1. Sjur has been working on better i18n and pdf rendering
   2. Børre has some ideas for getting back to serving static html files
5. reorganise the documentation:
   1. differ between target groups
   2. get better grouping
   3. decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki (cf. Apertium and [http://xixona.dlsi.ua.es/apertium/]) for a similar split)
   4. update/add missing parts
6. migrate lexc lexicons to XML, splitting the task
   1. Name lexica (the Name project)
   2. Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
   3. At least migrate the lexc open POSes (Komi as a pilot case)
7. change the look of the documentation web
8. use HFST as alternative to XFST
   1. this is now a real option (HFST2 is released), reqiures Makefile enhancements
9. corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories? Norsk språkbank?
10. update infrastructure to allow content-restricted spellers for special target groups

TODO:

• install the HFST tools (Børre, Tomi)
  • usage: make hfst TARGET=xxx, or use hwfst if you want a weighted one
  • fao: make hfst
• upgrade the XServe to Snow Leopard Server (Børre)
• ask Lene, Linda to install Mikogo (Trond)
• restructure and clean the script catalogue, using subdirs to categorise the scripts (Ciprian)
  • see posting in the news group
• infrastructure remake: (Børre, Ciprian, Saara, Sjur, Tomi, Trond)
  • more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
  • merge gt, kt and st into one
  • modularised preprocess and spellrelax
  • alternatives to make:
    • SCons
    • makepp
    • Maven (for java-projects)
    • CMake
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
  • delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
• define and document testing routines (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
  • delayed until we have restructured the make/build process

Linguistics

North Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

Lule Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

South Sámi

TODO:

• Prepare text´s about normativity issue to SGL/SGM (Maja, Thomas)
  • meeting Tuesday 9:30 (Maja, Sjur, Thomas)
• adjectives (Maja with Thomas, Trond, Sjur)
  • two competing naming conventions of continuation lexicons
    • One naming goes ATTRSUFF-PREDSUFF-STEMTYPE
    • One follows the sme convention of naming key adjectives
    • There are duplicate lexica
  • The comparative issue open here and there
    • The ATTRSUFF-PREDSUFF-STEMTYPE lexica now go to EVENCOMP and ODDCOMP only.
• work meeting on loan words and proper nouns, this week - tomorrow? (Maja, Ove (?), Sjur, Thomas, Trond)

Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure

Tomi has played with couchdb as a replacement for eXist in risten.no and general dictionary-related work. Seems much lighter and easier to work with.

Instead of building our own webforms and back-end update scripts, use XForms with a premade connection to our xml db. Orbeon XForms is such a tool (open source).

From the meeting with the terminology and IT teams last week:

• no major rework on the present search interface now
• no work on the editing section; instead:
• add existing lists of sanctioned terminology as separate term entities
• add a dictionary if we can make one with sufficient quality

This means the following tasks:

• find already approved lists, in paper or electronic form (term team)
• convert paper lists to electronic lists (term team)
• convert lists to standard XML (Sjur, Tomi)
• add prepared lists to risten.no (Sjur, Tomi)

TODO:

1. send eXist log files to Ciprian (Sjur)
2. fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale request) (Sjur)
3. fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
4. finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
5. test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: (Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
6. make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g. propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
7. convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files (Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
8. implement data synchronisation between risten.no and the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
9. start to use the xml file as source file
10. clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use (e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, linguists)
11. merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki, Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
12. publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
13. add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
14. add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils (linguists)

Dictionaries

TODO:

• set up risten.no on eXist/XServe (as a beta version site) (Sjur)
• set up required infra for smenob on risten.no/XServe (Sjur)
• Continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
• end user documentation (how to download and install) (Ciprian, Trond)
• Contact Davvi Girji about cooperation on electronic dictionaries (Sjur)
• developing the mobile phone version of smenob:
  • http://pfed.info/wksite/
• Komi
  • take out the doublets to a separate file (Ciprian)
  • merge the doublets (Jaska, Trond)
  • start looking at the komfin and komeng MacDicts (Ciprian)
  • Completing the automaton to some state (Trond, Jaska, Paula)

Proofing tools

South Sámi second alpha

Maja:

• looks good:)
• some words are written correct, but the speller rejects them

Trond:

• a frequent bug was nubpie because of a wrong tag
• speller - analyser diff

Thomas:

• the phonetic rules seem to work now

Tomi:

• baseform test is checking whether the baseforms are recognised by the speller

TODO:

• Go through the phonrules file (Thomas)
• Pick a text for proofreading (Thomas)
• Proofread a text with tre eror$error notation (Maja)
• difftest for fst and PL speller (Sjur)
• Compile a new version by Friday (Tomi)
  • cd $GTHOME/prooftools/; sudo make mac-dmg
• Look for external beta testers?
  • David and Jovsset will get the speller, for other people we must wait.
• fix the installer build issues (Sjur)
• correct easter egg to say “South Sámi”, not “North Sámi” (Sjur)
• fix sma installer bugs (Sjur)

HFST-based proofing tools

Voikko will be our near future proofing solution, using HFST as the language technology core.

TODO:

• continue to write an API specification, and an implementation specification (Sjur)

Testing

Spelling Error Markup

TODO:

• test new and nested error markup (Sjur)
  • nesting still needs to be tested, depends on new ccat feature

Speller testing

TODO:

• test the error type selection feature in ccat (Sjur)

Testing open-source Norwegian spellers

Sjur has invited the open-source group to test their spell-checker using our test bench. The response has been positive, we’ll see what happens.

We should go to their developer meetings, and present our work and how to work with language technology.

Speller bugs

List of bugs returned from Polderland:

• 621
• 630
• 652
• 656
• 676

Tag reordering for abbreviations have caused a lot of problems:

smj:
hr.
hr.	hr+ABBR+Acc
cand.philol.
cand.philol.	cand.philol+ABBR+N+Acc
Per
Per	Per+N+Prop+Mal+Sg+Attr

sme:
hr.
hr.	hr+N+ABBR+Acc
Per
Per	Per+N+Prop+Mal+Sg+Attr

Open issues based on test results:

sme

Version: Davvisámi, version 1.2, 2009-09-18

• 399 - missing numerals (plural forms) - still OPEN
• 425 - X not recognised; single letters were left out - still OPEN
• 435 - roman numbers - inflection of single letter numbers rejected, as well as some complex numbers (but is ok in smj) - still OPEN
  • we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
• 461 - REGRESSION: missing suggestion (sáhkki)
• 508 - REGRESSION: accepts smj entries (most likely abbreviation missing)
• 520 - REGRESSION: r9 and š9 not defined (abbr. missing)
• 595 - prefix+name without hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still OPEN
• 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
• 606 - compound-tags LEXICON VUOHTA - still OPEN
• 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
• 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - vihttasoarttat remaining - still OPEN
• 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
  • only open case has word A-finálaid compounded
• 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN, open case has uppercase letters
• 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
• 661 - REGRESSION: abbr. not recognized
• 709 - sámedikkeválga accepted - OPEN
• 728 - vowel shortening GenCmp+Left-tagged - still OPEN
• 779 - caseforms of pronoun okatahat - still OPEN
• 785 - does not recognize alphabet-abbr+noun - OPEN
• 802 - NEW: multiword propernouns
• 803 - NEW: FINJU- words accepted single-handed
• 804 - NEW: guovttilogát, njealjilogát
• 805 - NEW: Nouns+acronyms

smj

Version: Julevsáme, version 1.2, 2009-09-20

• 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
  • we should pre-generate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
  • please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in smj, as opposed to sme
• 482 - polardutkamin not recognized - FIXED
• 496 - REGRESSION: unrecognised clitics
• 556 - non-existent word accepted - FIXED
• 594 - lågenanguoktáj not recognized - still OPEN
• 595 - REGRESSION: prefix+name as split comp without hyphen
• 596 - C-giellan is not accepted - still OPEN
• 600 - Gen+hyph compound - FIXED
• 627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted - FIXED
• 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN, open case has uppercase letters
• 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
• 650 - REGRESSION: noun prefix+name compound without hyphen
• 652 - UPPERCASE-typos only get acronym-suggestions - still OPEN
• 692 - numeral-variants - all but one fixed (gáktsalågenantjuotakta), but still OPEN
• 744 - REGRESSION: numerals + clitic
• 803 - NEW: VINJU- words accepted single-handed
• 805 - NEW: Nouns+acronyms

TODO:

• document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)

Hyphenator bugs

Open issues based on test results :

sme

Lexicon version: Davvisámi, version 1.2, 2009-09-18

No known issues!

smj

Lexicon version: Julevsáme, version 1.2, 2009-09-20

• 670 - Hard hyphen replaced with soft hyphen: 10-biejvvásattja (the word is not rec.; Bug #711) - still OPEN

sma

Command to test the hyphenator:

preprocess dev/corp/pressemelding.txt | lookup bin/hyph-sma.fst | cut -f2 | \
lookup bin/hyphrules-sma.fst | grep -v '^$' | cut -f2 | uniq | see

TODO:

• fix PL hyphenator errors (Tomi)
  • almost done - one smj bug left

Installer changes

TODO:

• test InDesign installer (Sjur)

User documentation

TODO:

• InDesign documentation (Sjur)
  • Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji

1.2 release

Content:

• several smj bug fixes
• lexicalisations
• InDesign Mac & Win
• new OOo beta
• improved installers, at least for Mac, preferably also for Windows

Other

Autumn planning

• speller test project -> Sjur, Børre, Thomas, X
• speech synthesis -> Sjur, Trond, BA as a starter
• dictionaries: smanob, komfineng, fkvnob -> Ciprian, Sjur, Trond
• risten.no -> Ciprian, Sjur, Tomi
• Barents project follow-up meeting
• sme and smj proofing tools, next version -> Thomas, Tomi, Sjur
• HFST-based proofing tools -> Sjur

Text to speech

TODO:

• refine syntax / dependency rules (Biret Ánne)
• start public tender process (Sjur)
• find appropriate voices (Biret Ánne)

MT and CAT

TODO:

• make A-ITE compile and run on Windows (Ciprian)

Open source

The repository is properly closed/open now, and the availability of the source code should be announced.

TODO:

• announce the availability of our repository on relevant linguistic lists (Sjur)

Windows testing machine

It has been used as a backup Mac computer last week.

TODO:

• set up Maja’s old computer with Boot Camp or some virtualization software (Børre)

Next meeting, closing

The next meeting is 23.11.2009, 9.30 Norwegian time.

The meeting was closed at 10:49.

Appendix - task lists for the next week

Boerre

• install the HFST tools
• set up Maja’s old computer with Boot Camp or some virtualization software
• order scanners (one book and one flatbed with sheet feeder)
• implement language switch for static divvun site
• upgrade the XServe to Snow Leopard Server
• improve XSL script to transform leaflet Forrest XDocs to an OOo Draw document
• gt/Makefile remake
• get translations of thank-you letter
• fix bugs!

Ciprian

• MT - Autshumato:
  • test Autshumato Alpha version on Windows using Launcher
  • make Autshumato run on Mac
• eXist:
  • make eXist running with the SLT-DB
• infrastructure
  • make a schema/dtd description of the lexC-file (experiment with Komi and Romanian)
  • transform sme-lexC files into XML format
• GT web:
  • coloring output of the disambiguation
  • add a tree visualizer for the dependency trees
• Bodø Oahpa:
  • generalize for semantic classes and pos
  • implement a login mechanism
  • implement a upload data mechanism
  • setup the Bodø version on victorio
• Sandbox Oahpa:
  • finish the db installation for sb_oahpa
  • implement and test the Finnish lemmata (and if it works transfer it to the official OAHPA implementation)
• Running Oahpa:
  • add an Oahpa clock and date excercise (cf. Numra)
  • Generate fin/xml/{nouns|verbs|adjectives}.xml, and implement the new Leksa dropdown menu (but first run the sb_oahpa test)
• KomEngFin:
  • split by pos and transform the actual format into gt_dict format
  • compile only one version of dictionary and use css for user preferences
  • generate the first StarDict version of komeng and komfin dictionary
  • test the automatic sorting by Komi alphabet in xsl (as discussed with Trond)
• SmeNob:
  • the StarDict on Windows: try the HTML-plugin
  • try to reduce the dict-size on mac: experiment with xPointer, etc.
  • incorporate the passives into the last version of the sme:nob
• SmaNobSwe:
  • extend the smanobswe dictionary
  • check all bug in the sma:nob-swe dictionary
  • fix the bug with the string length in the popup window (sma:nob)
• SjdRus:
  • continue the work at the Kildin-Russian dictionary, next internal deadline is the lexicography workshop in November 2009 in Tromsø
• Corpus:
  • check the processing of new corpus documents (error logging during conversion, conversion quality, documentation, etc.)
• Lexicon workshop
  • finish the preparation of the teaching materials
  • prepare the talk for the workshop

Maja

• SGM letter meeting Tuesday 9:30 with Sjur, Thomas
• work meeting on loan words and proper nouns
• Prepare text´s about normativity issue to SGL/SGM
• more work on sma adjectives
• contact Turi Aleksandersen about book signature follow-up from Joseph
• contact authors of sma aticles in 9-10 eds. of the yearbook Åarjel-saemieh

Sjur

• SGM letter meeting Tuesday 9:30 with Maja, Thomas
• difftest for fst and PL speller
• fix the sma installer build issues
• @Barents: plan a meeting/seminar with potential cooperation partners
• @Barents: plan for The Real Thing
• @TTS: start public tender process
• make Leif Åge send out CD’s to distribution points
• start Nordplus Sprog project
• send eXist log files to Ciprian
• Write a formal letter to Davvi girji about electronic dictionaries
• make XSL script to transform leaflet Forrest XDocs to an OOo Drawer document
• continue to write a proofing API & implementation specification
• name db/risten.no
• follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
• support and maintenance contract for sme and smj, MS+Adobe tools
• Sámi languages as part of Norsk språkbank
• find and contact the correct person in SD, to get the manuscript for all Sámi teaching material now being given out to the schools
• fix bugs!

Thomas

• work meeting on loan words and proper nouns
• prepare text´s about normativity issue to SGL/SGM
• sma adjectives
• Digitalize south saami books
• fix bugs!

Tomi

• install the HFST tools
• document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
• fix double hyphen bugs
• fix PL smj hyphenator bug
• fix PL and Hunspell conversion bugs
• fix bugs!

Trond

• work meeting on loan words and proper nouns
• Mikogo for Lene and Linda
• clock and date for Numra
• Kildin Sámi Keyboard for Windows
• fix bugs!.